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February 15, 2009 at 10:57 am #95873
2 Stroke Carbon Fibre Pipe Guard
I have just finished making myself a Carbon Fibre Pipe Guard for my GasGas EC300
Here is the simplified step by step procedure that I followed,
Items required:
Approx 500ml of epoxy and hardener
Enough Carbon Fibre to do the job I used normal weave and Bidirectional for added strength. I applied 2 ½ layers
PPE,disposabal rubber Gloves,Dust mask when grinding
Plasticene for filling any dents
Release agent (PVA) or Alfoil
Angle grinder fitted with flap disk
Masking tape, permanent marker,scissors Stanley knife
Brushes bought from a two dollar shop (5 for $2 dollars)
Ice cream container and mixing sticks,280 grit wet and dry sanding paper or Orbital sander
Stainless steel jubilee clamps (I need 3)1. Prepare the pipe. This means give it the best wash its ever had get rid of any built up dirt and spooge.
2. Fill any small dents with plasticene or modelers clay. Ensure the surface is smooth
3. Determine how much of the pipe you want to protect, You can mark the area with a permanent marker pen, I like to have full coverage, the guard will go from the start of the small diameter at the header all the way around to cover the area up to where the pipe begins to go into the smaller section.
4. Apply release agent. Ensure a good coverage of release agent is applied to the pipe. This agent is a chemical called polyvinyl alcohol it goes on as a blue liquid and the alcohol evaporates out and leaves a thin plastic base. The beauty is that it dissolves when water is applied. Another method of release is to completely wrap your pipe in alfoil.
5. prepare your Carbon. As I was using cutoffs that were left over from a job you have to make do with what you have got, I was lucky in that I not only had the traditional weave Carbon but also a small amount of Bidirectional which is great for added strength.I put the best pieces in the order that I wanted to lay it down onto the pipe. The carbon was then taped in place so that it wont move. extra tape is then placed over the cut line, this makes it easier to cut the Carbon and reduces the amount of loose threads.
6. The pieces are all cut out and placed in order of application, extra bidirectional was cut to be placed in areas of the pipe guard that require extra strength being mainly underneath and the larger area of the expansion chamber.
7. I made a small bar that goes through the table , the stinger of the pipe goes over this so that you can apply the carbon and epoxy without worrying about the pipe moving around on you.
8. Mix up a small batch of epoxy and hardener in the correct ratios, you want to only do small sections at a time ,when the batch is mixed pour the epoxy into a large icecream container the bigger the container the better as it will allow a longer working life of the mixture.
9. Using a brush laydown an even layer of epoxy extending past where the first cut out of carbon will be going, then carefully place the cut out of carbon onto this area, you need to ensure the resin is gently worked into the carbon, this will be the extra strengthening pieces mentioned earlier. You will have about 15 minutes of potlife depending on the temperature of the day,if it is bloody hot like Saturday pot life is greatly reduced.work quickly .
10. Keep applying the carbon until the pipe is covered this may take 3-4 batches. when the epoxy goes into a semi stiff state it is now time to trim the carbon using a Stanley knife and/or scissors. When this is done you then have to remove the guard from the pipe to allow you to shape the pipe guard this needs to be done before it gets to hard as it will be impossible to remove when fully set. I use a running hose to dissolve the release agent and slowly pry the guard away big side first.11. after allowing the pipe to set usually about 2-3 hours I use an angle grinder fitted with a flap disk to smooth out all the bumps and join areas.
12. Next comes the top layer of carbon going through the same process as mentioned before, you can lay it up on the pipe or do it without, if you do it on the pipe remember to reapply the release agent
13. When the guard has fully set do a final trim and sand using the flap disk again.round off all sharp edges and smooth out any rough areas.
14. get some 280 grit wet and dry or an electric orbital sander and give the guard a good going over.
15. Mix up a small batch of epoxy and apply this over the outside of the guard this is the finish coat. You can apply a second coat if desired.
16. you can then add some slots in the guard using a dremel tool,this is for the securing of the stainless steel jubilee clamps.
17. Fit the Biarch to you pipe and show off your latest homemade bling to your mates.Photies not in order
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February 15, 2009 at 11:26 am #122614aint you a tricky fella
good job mate! great idea;heard a good one the other day,For getting out dents involved plugging one end of the pipe Weld a plate; on the other end do the sae with a air hose connection inserted (tacked) then simply heat the dent area with a oxy very slowly and apply more air- via compressor,slowly ,slowly POP; grind off tacked plates ;=saved $400. probly old news to a handyman such as yourself …oh well.a thought
February 15, 2009 at 11:33 am #122622aarochild wrote:
Quote:aint you a tricky fellagood job mate! great idea;heard a good one the other day,For getting out dents involved plugging one end of the pipe Weld a plate; on the other end do the sae with a air hose connection inserted (tacked) then simply heat the dent area with a oxy very slowly and apply more air- via compressor,slowly ,slowly POP; grind off tacked plates ;=saved $400. probly old news to a handyman such as yourself …oh well.a thought
es mate done several of those repairs before:laugh: Hopefully this gaurd will prevent that happening to often,the one I made for my rmx did and it copped a hiding and is still going strong;)
ollie
February 15, 2009 at 11:38 am #122615
AnonymousGood stuff Ollie, though I am slightly concerned that you are trying to take my title of the ‘DIY backyard solutions King’. :silly:
February 15, 2009 at 11:43 am #122623No way Nigel you are the “backyard King”:laugh: although I try hard and have a good workshop and understanding boss,oh err thats me:laugh:
ollie
February 15, 2009 at 12:04 pm #122624
AnonymousAnd Moto can relax because he is still the ‘backdoor queen’….from what I have heard, anyway.
February 15, 2009 at 11:20 pm #122625
Anonymousslug wrote:
Quote:And Moto can relax because he is still the ‘backdoor queen’….from what I have heard, anyway.Don’t you know it
Does the gaurd resonate against the pipe Ollie? It looks to be a snug fit help on with hose clamps and no packing underneath? Some header wrap in beteween the pipe and the guard might be the go, it would also add a bit of cushioning….
February 16, 2009 at 12:14 am #122660No mate it doesnt need anything else,no vibrations,no heat wrap nothing;) Pipe gets a bit hot at the outlet but other than that no problems at all. The first ride it will smell a bit but the heat will tend to cure it.
ollie
February 16, 2009 at 7:39 am #122616NICE WORK OLLIE
February 16, 2009 at 7:57 am #122732Ollie question, because I haven’t had stuff all to do with carbon fibre and because the guard looks thin and flimsy I ask the following.
Is the guard strong enough to handle a stump hitting it, like be hitting it with a baseball bat say the equivalent force? If so can I bring a baseball bat to Wauchope and test it :silly: , I know its strong but and amazed that something so thin can offer such protection :huh: .
TB
February 16, 2009 at 8:10 am #122741Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Ollie question, because I haven’t had stuff all to do with carbon fibre and because the guard looks thin and flimsy I ask the following.Is the guard strong enough to handle a stump hitting it, like be hitting it with a baseball bat say the equivalent force? If so can I bring a baseball bat to Wauchope and test it :silly: , I know its strong but and amazed that something so thin can offer such protection :huh: .
TB
TB they are absolutley strong and would be able to handle a stump or rock,not saying that there may be some damage to the gaurd,the impact has to be absorbed somewhere.But after using one of these on about 5 different bikes over the last 15 years (with some big hits thrown in especially on the RMX)they come highly recommended.I purposley put extra bi-directinal carbon in the high impact areas,so thay are as tough as, apparently 75% more than Aluminium.
PS you hit my bike with a baseball bat :ohmy: I would find another place to insert that bat:laugh:ollie
February 16, 2009 at 8:18 am #122754I am more that happy that you with a bat is about as scary as the easter bunny :laugh: , but you didnt answer can I test it, yes or No?
February 16, 2009 at 8:34 am #122759Trailboss wrote:
Quote:I am more that happy that you with a bat is about as scary as the easter bunny :laugh: , but you didnt answer can I test it, yes or No?NO !!
February 16, 2009 at 8:38 am #122767ok thats sorted then :laugh:
February 16, 2009 at 9:04 am #122768Hey Ollie great work my man, I just want to tell you two things, Mate the dust from grinding a carbon firbre is around 200 times worse for you than asbestos, so mate please stay down wind when grinding the damn stuff, and the massive strengths toted about with carbon fibre are directly related to two fundamental things, the weave, as in chopped verses woven and the denier of that weave, and secondly the other thing that gives it it strength is the moulds are vacuum sealed as they cure and this compressive force is similar to bridge structures that are stressed with steel cables to increase its load capacity, you will never get the same strength per gram as vacuum sealing so the backyarders will usually add more layers, just like you have.
Good Job Mate but please be careful of the dust :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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