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  • #95938

    Glenn Shaw
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    when checking the chain on a PDS suspension KTM, I usually use the “remove the shock” method to determine the correct chain tension.

    but I’ve lost the article that detailed the procedure :blush: and I cant remember whether the rear wheel is meant to be on the ground (ie bike on side stand) or bike is to be supported with the rear wheel of the ground, when rechecking against your predetermined tension mark.

    that sounds abit double dutch, but those that use this method will know what I mean, I hope :unsure:

    #123950

    Chris
    Member

    No Idea Mudrat but there’s enought KTM guys about that I’m sure will know what you are talking about. I’m a great help aren’t I.

    Cheers
    Chris.

    #123951

    Anonymous

    Ummm….I can’t help with the ‘remove the shock’ method which sounds a bit extreme to me. I take you know how to adjust the set-up normally, but you prefer to do it a different way?

    Either way (shock in or out) the chain needs to be adjust to factor for the movement of the swingarm relative to the shock through its full travel. Therefore I can’t see how the tension can be setup without having the wheel off the ground.

    The point of the excercise is for the chain not be tight when at it’s extremity of movement. This will be in the shock fully in or out position.

    #123957

    Bruce Curtis
    Member

    ratchet tie down to compress rear suspension adjust chain like this then release tie down & measure chain slop at normal sag. note on garage wall= all good

    #123970

    David
    Member

    Heres a way that my Dad taught me 20 years ago, he calls it the Chain jig, and still asks me if I used a chain jig on my boys bike almost every time he sees us race.
    1. Put the bike up on a stand with rear wheel off ground and remove shock(you only have to do this once in the life time of the bike so dont stress)
    2. Swing the wheel up and down through its arc and if you can do it easily tighten the chain 1/2 turn, then repeat, keep doing until you find a point where the chain goes tight, this is the point at which the wheel is furthest away from the swing-arm pivot point. You dont want the chain pulling to hard on the drive sprocket so make sure the wheel is not adjusted too far back.
    3. When happy that the chain is at its tightest you want at that point to replace the rear shock.
    4. Now with the rear wheel still in the air and the bike on the stand, pull upwards on the chain and measure the distance between the swing arm and chain, but here is the critical part, pick the point of measurement at a place you can get to later with the jig you are about to make, on the Katies I use the black plastic swing arm wrap around protector thingy as the point of reference.
    5. Once you have the critical number get a piece of the harden broom stick and cut the thing to that exact size, making sure the cuts are parallel
    6. Done. To give you an idea, they are small these jigs,the Katie is 63mm long

    To Use it
    Put the bike on a stand or a log in the bush with the rear wheel off the ground, grab you jig slide it in to the spot only you know between swing arm and chain on the top and it should be tight all round if the tension is perfect because the jig took up the desired amount of slack and no more, you will instantly know the exact state of the nation, after a while you know how many turns to adjust what you felt to keep it perfect.:) :)

    #123989

    Greg
    Member

    Ktmrat wrote:

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    Heres a way that my Dad taught me 20 years ago, he calls it the Chain jig, and still asks me if I used a chain jig on my boys bike almost every time he sees us race.
    1. Put the bike up on a stand with rear wheel off ground and remove shock(you only have to do this once in the life time of the bike so dont stress)
    2. Swing the wheel up and down through its arc and if you can do it easily tighten the chain 1/2 turn, then repeat, keep doing until you find a point where the chain goes tight, this is the point at which the wheel is furthest away from the swing-arm pivot point. You dont want the chain pulling to hard on the drive sprocket so make sure the wheel is not adjusted too far back.
    3. When happy that the chain is at its tightest you want at that point to replace the rear shock.
    4. Now with the rear wheel still in the air and the bike on the stand, pull upwards on the chain and measure the distance between the swing arm and chain, but here is the critical part, pick the point of measurement at a place you can get to later with the jig you are about to make, on the Katies I use the black plastic swing arm wrap around protector thingy as the point of reference.
    5. Once you have the critical number get a piece of the harden broom stick and cut the thing to that exact size, making sure the cuts are parallel
    6. Done

    To Use it
    Put the bike on a stand or a log in the bush with the rear wheel off the ground, grab you jig slide it in to the spot only you know between swing arm and chain on the top and it should be tight all round if the tension is perfect because the jig took up the desired amount of slack and no more, you will instantly know the exact state of the nation, after a while you know how many turns to adjust what you felt to keep it perfect.:) :)

    Oh My God, I gotta get me a Kato :blink:

    #123990

    Nick Again
    Member

    Ktmrat wrote:

    Quote:
    Heres a way that my Dad taught me 20 years ago, he calls it the Chain jig, and still asks me if I used a chain jig on my boys bike almost every time he sees us race.
    1. Put the bike up on a stand with rear wheel off ground and remove shock(you only have to do this once in the life time of the bike so dont stress)
    2. Swing the wheel up and down through its arc and if you can do it easily tighten the chain 1/2 turn, then repeat, keep doing until you find a point where the chain goes tight, this is the point at which the wheel is furthest away from the swing-arm pivot point. You dont want the chain pulling to hard on the drive sprocket so make sure the wheel is not adjusted too far back.
    3. When happy that the chain is at its tightest you want at that point to replace the rear shock.
    4. Now with the rear wheel still in the air and the bike on the stand, pull upwards on the chain and measure the distance between the swing arm and chain, but here is the critical part, pick the point of measurement at a place you can get to later with the jig you are about to make, on the Katies I use the black plastic swing arm wrap around protector thingy as the point of reference.
    5. Once you have the critical number get a piece of the harden broom stick and cut the thing to that exact size, making sure the cuts are parallel
    6. Done

    To Use it
    Put the bike on a stand or a log in the bush with the rear wheel off the ground, grab you jig slide it in to the spot only you know between swing arm and chain on the top and it should be tight all round if the tension is perfect because the jig took up the desired amount of slack and no more, you will instantly know the exact state of the nation, after a while you know how many turns to adjust what you felt to keep it perfect.:) :)

    Does this for any other/All bikes( modern) or is this purely a hack thingy for KTM’s? Curious to know??? I’m not sure why ‘Cause mines as simple as putting bike up, check tension has 12 mm freeplay job done… But this explaination thing seems rather high tech and just may give better life to chain and Sprockets??? Or is my Medication too strong today?

    #123996

    David
    Member

    Yes you can use for any bike and its like you saying 12mm freeplay, well go and cut a piece of hardwood to 12 mm and its the jig, working out the size is best done with the rear hanging as the spring may sag or preloads may vary giving a false indicator, the thing up on a stand hanging wont be effected by the above.
    So yes once you work out the size and location this works with any bike

    #123991

    Glenn Shaw
    Member

    thanx Rat thats exactly what I do except, Instead of making a jig I cut a Vee in the Heim joint/shock protector thingy and adjust my chain tension to that mark.

    I just couldnt remember whather I needed the wheel of the ground or not to check it, but you’ve answered that one to

    Karma for you

    #124006

    Dean
    Member

    This is how Dave’s dad explained the procedure. I think the model in this link is better looking than Dave:kiss:

    Ollie

    http://easterndirt.com/wp-content/themes/mimbo/index.php/?p=207

    #124021

    Eric Smith
    Member

    Love Laurie’s safety footwear! 😆

    I have seen on TT that the WR’s have a recommended setting/measurement for when the rear wheel is off the ground, showing where the chain should touch the swingarm, or giving a recommended clearance to the swingarm. The problem I can see with this is that the more worn the chain the easier it will be for it to stretch down towards the swingarm, meaning you could tighten the chain too much and cause premature wear. That being said, the WR’s don’t seem to have the problems with chain tension that KTM’s do – not trying to start a brand war again, just calling it as I see it. The DRZ was easy with the snail cam adjusters (as would XR’s be) but I guess this is ‘old technology’ so the newer bikes have gone to the infinite adjustment of the adjusting bolt and lock nut. I’d still prefer the snail cam.

    #124069

    Anonymous

    I still can’t belive people take the shock out to adjust the chain!! I do mine on the bike stand and it’s fine.

    Or maybe that’s why I have a weepy countershaft seal ;)

    #124095

    Greg
    Member

    And the other weepy thing I over heard you tell them aabout at Katoomba hospital :blink:

    #124096

    Glenn Shaw
    Member

    as has been mentioned, you need to take the shock out ONCE, and its only to make moving the swingarm through its arc easier.

    the other thing to note also is the use of the chain alignment tool.
    Don’t rely on your swing arm marks being accurate, doesnt matter if there the Kato bolt type or snail cams.

    I have seen markings out by upto 3mm from one side to the other.
    a variation of 1mm is equal to about 3mm at the wheel.
    Which affect how your bike track as your back wheel is effectivly crabbing sideways.

    the alignment tool I made is similiar to the on in the link, but I’ve also seen one made out of a pice of heavy wire and a ziptie, will post a pic if I can find it.

    #124117

    Nick Again
    Member

    On the part about being offset withthe wheel. I read that using a Flux stick, (Long one) and a couple of Zip ties is the way to go for aligning said wheel. A 90 deg. bend at one end for alinginging to swing arm bolt and Set the Zip tie, tight up other end. It will slide and if cut to an angle you can measure the axle centre, then duplicate to other side. I also read that mal- aligned wheel can use up brake pads/rotors quicker to?

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