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June 29, 2009 at 10:06 am #96721
The young Bloke has a 1999-2000 KX60, now these are essentially the exactly same bike for over a decade so parts are plentiful, the three big problems with this bike are:
*No low end power, these are your old style :”nothing nothing nothing, zap now your sitting on yer arse” style of power, not exactly condusive to a young bloke learning the clutch, gears and starting his single track adventures with the old man, he reckons his KTM50s had way more off the pipe and the kx hits too hard, too late.
*NOISE, this thing is loud, way too loud, too loud to ride anywhere near normal people, so we repacked the stock crappy steel cylindrical silencer,it made no difference could even hear him over me even when I was on the pipe.
*Front brakes, he’s just come off two KTM Pro-seniors with brembo brakes that would turn you inside out, the KX has this stiff drum setup that is worse than a joke, honestly I think my 1979 YZ80 had better stoppers and it has after a series of nasty crashes turned his confidence right down.
Now I have had a very dead lateish KX125 lying around for quite some time now, sold the front end and have been scavenging bits and pieces for other bikes off it here and there and had a near new FMF Turbine core silencer on it, got me thinking a little bit about stuff, so i went back to my “tuning 2 strokes for power and racing” manual I’ve had since a kid and did some sums, maybe the info is a bit dated, but then so is the engines basic design, so should be a good change and certainly wouldn’t make it worse from what I could deduce. So yesterday I started the project. Cut the existing silencer off the stinger section of the stock pipe, pulled the standard KX/RM FMF silencer apart and started cutting, shortening, repacking and rejigging. well a few hours later he has a ubeaut alloy and stainless repacked silencer fitted and sealed. Looks good comes out slightly shorter overall than the stock cokecan, with 50% volume increase, a shorter stinger section and a tricky little drop pipe on the end and overall only required minor underneath massaging of the right sideplate/cover and one mount actual bolted right up and with the secondary rear one we made a discreet little alloy hanger for it that tucks inside the sideplate.
So we start it…. wow this is way quiet, the obtrusive “bark bark bark” has disappeared, just a signature modern “ting ting ting”. Warmed it and gave it a rev and still really quiet, but no longer with customary kx60 pipe hesitation anymore just instant response. He gets a bit of gear on for a driveway and backyard test, and after a dozen or so laps his Mum is happier, the neighbours stihl whippersnipper is way louder and the KX has a beaut two smoker note and subdued wail onto the pipe.
He rides into the shed pulls his helmet and says, “Dad it’s way easier to take off and go through corners now” Not really understanding I just nod and hop on to go up the driveway. I instantly realise what he means it has bulk more lowend, just let the clutch out and it chugs away, whereas before all scream and slip to get my 95kgs off the mark, so I go up the drive turn around and nail it in 2nd, and the prick of a thing tries to rip my arms off instantly. Now any adult who’s ridden a KX60 knows these are upper mid hitters and will flip you over, well aware of that I always sit forward and hunch over the bars on it, still it accelerated hard with the front hovering a foot or so off the cement, so I did a few laps of the yard in third. Cornering I realised what he meant, coming out no need to fan the clutch or jam it back into second it just pulled straight onto the pipe, coming in a far bit earlier and stronger with less hit, if that makes sense, it has a stronger longer spread of power, that would’ve doubted it would’ve achieved without porting mods. Much much more than I sorta reckoned it would help the power as the formula for better low power includes a larger dia silencer with better resonance.So with one little change, albiet a considered change problem 1 and 2 are fixed, now has anyone aware of a disc brake front that I could slip uner it?
Sometimes the gods smile upon you………..Bruce C.
June 29, 2009 at 10:43 am #141744Nice work Blue
June 29, 2009 at 12:41 pm #141745Blue Great report there Mate, I did exactly that to a 1989 kx 80 and my wife loved it from there on in she would come riding with me anytime I went. There is a disk brake front end of a yellow machine that will go in the hole, I will ask a guy I know and come back to you. The picture of you going around the backyard on the little thing is just to much, How is the sag on the suspension, OMG…..:laugh:
June 29, 2009 at 1:38 pm #141783Thanks much appreciated if you could Mr Rat, they are dispicable bloody things those front brakes, WTF was kawasaki thinking with those, bloody triumph Bonnies had better stoppers in the 60s. I almost sold it again because of them, but he loves the fit and rear suspension so much, the rear end is essentially a full floater ripoff, magic to watch it over stutters and whoops.
Good parts are so cheap for this thing too, full Pro-X topend kit and gaskets domestically for around $100 all up.
Bruce C.
June 29, 2009 at 6:44 pm #141785
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i don’t know what the bike designers were thinking back then.
i repack my stock silencer regularly. everytime I do, I’m amazed how much better it runs. infact it is quite scary
June 29, 2009 at 9:57 pm #141787When you repack your muffler the thing that makes the biggest difference is to make sure the holes are clear, I usually get the gas axe out and hit it with some heat to burn the crud off, if no gas axe is around a drill and wire brush will do the same thing but just take longer, and to make your packing last twice as long I re-wrap it backwards, in other words what was on the outside when I unwrap gets rewraped onto the tube the otherway and now the outside becomes the inside, I got sick and tired of throwing the stuff out with half(the outside half) still good, when you have 4 or 5 bikes to be prepped for races nearly every weekend, you find the cheaper more effective ways of doing things:)
June 29, 2009 at 10:53 pm #141790Don’t know if you Blokes have tried this trick, but i got rid of the Oxy about 10 years ago was sick of paying more for the bottle rental than what I used in gas (did the same with the MIG too), so now when I clean a pipe or silencer out I used believ it or not a plain old Ozito heat gun. This sucker used correctly will get a good hot cherry glow happening and sparks will fly into the night, this is how I cleaned the FMF perforations out the other day, left with some rust-red colured carbon which just flaked away with a few passes of the wire brush, looked brand spankers. Actually been thinking one may be able to Braze using one of these with the right nozzle on it too.
I also am a bit out of left feild with my packing, whereas everyone always tells me too “pack it tight” I’ll leave that theory to the coneheads, my silencers are packed moderately firm but not tight, I find they run quieter and absorb more gunk, and I still use Batts to do it, have been using good old batts for 30+ years never had an issue, unless some smartybum sees me doing it and makes a comment so I ask why not?, fireglass sound and heat absorbing materials, batts are just a bit more random in the layers that’s all, and one huge bag does you years and costs about the same as one silencer repack bag from the bikeshops.Bruce C
June 30, 2009 at 1:41 pm #141795Yes Bruce packed to tight is just a waste of matting, and good point mate about the heat gun, never thought of it getting hot enough, and bloody good point about insulation batts, I think you really are orange underneath, just a closet orange, maybe even subconsciously,
Karma to ya…..thats right cant do that anymore, karma to ya anywayJuly 4, 2009 at 11:37 am #141915Update-
Took the young fella out today to the “testing grounds” a few hundred hectares of short steep hillclimbs and river flats. I’ll use his words here.
“It’s heaps easier to control, it sounds like yours dad, doesn’t bog down anymore and you don’t have to scream it everywhere now”.
Now to the exciting bit as a Dad, he was doing 60 metre up hillclimbs that you couldn’t walk up, with little sharp lips and unrelenting slope, one of our co-riders looped his XR250 out on it. Brenton (my Lad) was initially doing it in second then he got game and was going up in third, not so special I hear you say, but he was using throttle control to prevent wheelspin and as the front wheel got too high he’d back off and then slip the clutch as he fed it some again, very much in control and totally confident. This in his own words was impossible 2 weeks ago he woulda flipped it or spun into a stop.
admittedly I have also made a few other changes , new alloy bars in the correct height and bend for him and the bike, gel grips, and a set of wide forged footpegs i had from one of my old CR250s, and a new front brake lever and perch, top end BMX stuff specially made for little peoples hands and a lighter pull setup for his clutch as well.
If I had a kid on a KX60 the silencer mod is the absolute first thing I’d do from now on.
I don’t think this silencer is alone just the dukz nutz, but the rather stock one is so poorly executed that a woolfilled cokecan would be better.BC
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