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August 9, 2009 at 4:08 am #96959
Ok i know where two hot spots are, cause it appears last weekend i did some damage to the top end, tore it down yesterday cause it wasn’t running 100% great and the piston had picked up on the bore in two spots and I just know Rat and Bull know exactly where these spots are as all W/coolers have troubles here if anywhere. Anyway the rings were also shot to pieces and clear daylight through one and uneven wear, blow by was quite significant.
All good though cylinder coating is Ok a few scratches that are visual only, get past the fingernail test fine a new “d” piston sitting waiting for it and found the tranny leak some idiot had pinched the gasket inside the cases.Now if I didn’t have the pig-flu (fair dinks whole family has come down with it, young fella diagnosed on thursday) it’d be back together already, have cleaned the exhaust ports up and chemfered the edges just gotta get the piston material off the bore and she’ll be all good, like a new one again.
Crank is beautiful with a liberal coating of Mobils best Synthetic 2T oil everywhere, little moisture leak around P/Valve where old gasket was reused, but also will be fixed with new gasket and loctite gasket bond.
BC
August 9, 2009 at 4:22 am #147520nice work MR BLUE read the title thought you must have seized the entire motor……
hope the family is felling better soon… not good when everyone is crook….
August 9, 2009 at 5:04 am #147521Thanks Robo, I reckon I pulled it down just at the right time, was tempted to leave it as it only had 40 hrs on the entire engine, but that mongrel little rainforest S/T Craig and I tried cutting in last weekend I reckon did it, as it lost all lowend power for a while and never really came good again.
I’m felin’ better, sons almost over it, daughters just starting into the bad bit and the Mrs is a crook as, but she didn’t have many flus as a kid so this is an old one doing the rounds again so I reckon I had the anti-bodies lying dormant in me already.
Cylinders looking good now bit of a wash and clean up and she’ll be right to go.
BC
August 9, 2009 at 5:23 am #147522did you work out why it picked up on the bore is it runing lean or sucking air in somewhere just wondering from my limited experiance theres always a reason
August 9, 2009 at 6:18 am #147523white rocket wrote:
Quote:did you work out why it picked up on the bore is it runing lean or sucking air in somewhere just wondering from my limited experiance theres always a reasonNo air leaks, the jettings a little fat down low so I’m pretty sure it is the aforementioned “hotspots” that we’ve been yapping about elsewhere on here. I’ve had other 2T watercoolers do this over the years in similar areas. I’m ptting a close tolerance piston in today/this week so I’m probably going to run engine ice in the cooling system as well.
I knew something had gone wrong and better safe than sorry.
bc
August 11, 2009 at 5:18 am #147524I dunno Bruce, you seem keen on this hotspot idea. I agree with the White Bunga, there’s a reason for what’s going on there and I don’t think it’s a “design fault”. I am no expert either though!
It may be typical for the Yamaha clan but as I said before, I have never experienced anything like what you have with any of my Kawas or KTMs over 20 years.
Also, as you know the Nikosil is really tough stuff so unless it’s really physically damaged, scotchbrite it and it’s good to go!August 12, 2009 at 11:53 am #147865i’ve gone back on the engine ice, as while it has a far higher boil point as someone pointed out it doesn’t transfer heat as well as water. Axel the reason I am going along the hotspots is that all engines have them, ask TB, and some worse than others they have flow “deadzones” and bypass areas, sandcasting the barrels has engineering limitations and as well know everything is made to a market driven pricing system. Now usually if you run stock jetting/carburettion systems they run phat on the mixture which will help hide these issues, lean out the mixture to around the correct stoichometric ratio ato rerelease some ponies and they start to rear their ugly little heads. Mine runs about 4 pilot sizes beneath factory setup and the needle has a completely different taper (tri-tapered JD) which gives it unbelieveable boogie of idle, but also because it is burning more efficently and I run a very close tolerance skirt/bore ratio there is far more heat to be carried away, and any (notice I didn’t say “if”) deadspots in the cooling systems will be overtaxed and localised “steam pockets” can result, steam doesn’t do anything for heat transfer in this situation and so that area expands exponentially until something gets hurt.
This is why some of the old 24hr le-mans rotaries (which they outlawed in that race) had liquid cooled exhausts, to help get heat away from the exhaust ports where there were problems at high speed running.
Now a well tuned 2T has a fresh charge running back into and back from the pipe so the upper/large section of the port should be getting some incoming charge cooling, but the auxilary ports- (like the katos screw type) two sub-ports maynot benefit from this backwash of fresh mixture and it becomes superheated….easy fix= richer jetting, downside poorer performance.These are some of the problems as i understand them, the fix is what rat and Bull have been working on, and from memory the GM silver and gold series screamers had similar issues back in the day.
BC
August 12, 2009 at 12:28 pm #148036Blue so it got hot last weekend, could it have just got hot from no air flow in some tight single trail and overheated, maybe even a couple of times, does it have a catch bottle, I mean I try to keep it simple but that would cause piston expansion and possible pick up marks and scoring?? Its a motorcross engine designed for air flow at all times, some thermo fans maybe or ride faster
Last time you pulled down it didnt have those score marks, yet it would have had the same sand castings in the barrel and water jackets thats got the job done
I agree they are built to just to the job to a cost but hasnt it done the job until this time when it just had no air flow
TB
August 12, 2009 at 12:44 pm #148037You’re right T/B I was just explaining to Axel why I believe it is so, anyway the bore is on it’s last piston change now, so next time I’ll go back to an “A” sized slug and start all over again or maybe go to a forged unit, because it ain’t an F1 engine, but I do like it to be right, anyway no matter what still better to be liquid cooled than not, I remember my old seizures from the air-cooled smokers, not good fun.
Was thinking a fan, but what the hell just something else I can wreck on it then :blush:, I’ll just ride faster instead, and put the fan on me .BC
August 12, 2009 at 12:48 pm #148039Mine would boil in the tight stuff when stopping to much for whatever the reason was, but I changed my cap from a 1.3 to a 1.8, bingo hasn’t happen again, but it puts more pressure on the hoses etc
TB
August 12, 2009 at 12:49 pm #148038Mida Blue,
It’s a YZ engine, it loves flyin’ around a motocross track….not plodding around a tight single line.
air-flow good
no-flow bad
WR’s like all types of going!
CrashAugust 12, 2009 at 1:03 pm #148040I have left the squish at 1.86 MM which is way below optimum this time, to maybe counteract any nasties, and the higher bar cap I have done after my first bush outing on the bike, helped alot doesn’t boil at all and admittedly the S/T was a virgin kangaroo run, so yep outside of design parameters.
Just trying to stimulate some serious tech discussion while I’m bored as well I guess.
It sux having swine flu……
BC
August 13, 2009 at 9:12 am #148041Blue I reckon you should set a fan up, as I am thinking about doing it and you could do it first work, out the lumps and bumps and mine will be easy to do
I have heard that a computer fan draws nothing, and yoy can get ball bearing onesTB
August 13, 2009 at 11:38 am #148138Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Blue I reckon you should set a fan up, as I am thinking about doing it and you could do it first work, out the lumps and bumps and mine will be easy to do
I have heard that a computer fan draws nothing, and yoy can get ball bearing onesTB
12v 60mA, 120x120x38mm, 106 cfm, ball bearing $40.00
Jaycar catndog p151
altronics p 213 same spec at 6.1watt=A/mA ? but $29
August 13, 2009 at 1:05 pm #148183Sounds like a good idea, I’ve got a pair of ACD radiator braces coming from the UK that allow full flow through my poor old mangled radiators, the beauty i=of these braces is by the looks I can mount a fan with no obstructions.
Got quite a few dead computers at work too, so fans should be a cinch.
BC
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