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    Dean
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    Ok guys I have the Engine apart on the Gasser and I need to do some work on the head. I have been running a .3mm base gasket with good results (standard is a .3+.5+.15 = .95mm total),this has the effect of raising compression and giving a lot better low to mid response,but this is means the piston is about 1mm above the exhaust port at BDC. I need to raise the barrel so the exhaust port is level for optimum efficiency and then do a lead solder squish test. This info would then be passed onto an engineering firm machine and CC the head head I reckon the squish ATM would be close to 2.5mm (at a guess) and need to get this down to about 1mm.My question is who in the Sydney area preferably comes highly recommended to do this type of work and any idea on how much it would cost.

    cheers ;)

    #176068

    Bruce Curtis
    Member

    Ollie, are you after a reshape or just a shave, cause just a shave isn’t technically fixing your “squish band” it’s just raising comp and if you had an incomplete or uneven burn before you will still have one.

    as for plain shaving the head, any competent machinist can perform that, but squishbands I think there’s a few like Robbie Madisons father that are pretty cluey with the right shape with most 2ts.

    BC

    #176154

    Dean
    Member

    yep thanks Bruce,head needs to be shaved and reshaped. I could do the shaving at work,but would be a lot more comfortable if the pro’s did it. I will look up NP on the other forum

    cheers Ollie B)

    #176069

    John
    Member

    Ollie wrote:

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    Ok guys I have the Engine apart on the Gasser and I need to do some work on the head. I have been running a .3mm base gasket with good results (standard is a .3+.5+.15 = .95mm total),this has the effect of raising compression and giving a lot better low to mid response,but this is means the piston is about 1mm above the exhaust port at BDC. I need to raise the barrel so the exhaust port is level for optimum efficiency and then do a lead solder squish test. This info would then be passed onto an engineering firm machine and CC the head head I reckon the squish ATM would be close to 2.5mm (at a guess) and need to get this down to about 1mm.My question is who in the Sydney area preferably comes highly recommended to do this type of work and any idea on how much it would cost.

    cheers ;)

    I read this thread and had no idea what your talking about so i called me three year old son in to sit on my lap and try and shed some light on it but we both ended up just sitting there with dumb looks on our faces (our/my normal look). Could ya help out this pleb Ollie and put it in lay mans talk. I understand the first bit its just the squish test.
    Cheers.

    #176179

    John
    Member

    Ollie wrote:

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    JAK wrote:

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    Ollie wrote:

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    Ok guys I have the Engine apart on the Gasser and I need to do some work on the head. I have been running a .3mm base gasket with good results (standard is a .3+.5+.15 = .95mm total),this has the effect of raising compression and giving a lot better low to mid response,but this is means the piston is about 1mm above the exhaust port at BDC. I need to raise the barrel so the exhaust port is level for optimum efficiency and then do a lead solder squish test. This info would then be passed onto an engineering firm machine and CC the head head I reckon the squish ATM would be close to 2.5mm (at a guess) and need to get this down to about 1mm.My question is who in the Sydney area preferably comes highly recommended to do this type of work and any idea on how much it would cost.

    cheers ;)

    I read this thread and had no idea what your talking about so i called me three year old son in to sit on my lap and try and shed some light on it but we both ended up just sitting there with dumb looks on our faces (our/my normal look). Could ya help out this pleb Ollie and put it in lay mans talk. I understand the first bit its just the squish test.
    Cheers.

    NO! :laugh:

    Ah now i understand. :) Thanks for clearing that up :S

    #176180

    TheBoss
    Member

    As Ollie started this thread in the tech forum Aido for sensible answers I know he will be more then helpful explaining in his thread instead of his previous post here

    #176072

    Dean
    Member

    Sorry Jak, :laugh:

    when the piston comes up to TDC the area between the piston dome and the head is called the Squish band. By reducing the band down to approx 1mm this will have the effect of raising the Compression ratio.

    To check this squish band we need to get some lead solder wire and place it on the dome of the piston.The head is replaced and the engine is slowly turned over using the kick starter. The piston will compress the solder and this is then measured using a vernier. The engineering shop can then use this to determine how much material is removed from the head.

    Hope this helps :unsure:

    Ollie B)

    #176070

    Liam
    Member

    GTS Engineering
    (03) 5964 2580
    Address
    640 Victoria Rd, Seville VIC 3139, Australia, did mine.
    Lee from mainjet recommended him and he’s only an express parcel away.
    He’s done a few GG’s.
    $130.

    #176184

    Dean
    Member

    Thanks Diddel how much coin did it cost for the head work?

    Ollie

    #176182

    John
    Member

    Ollie wrote:

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    Sorry Jak, :laugh:

    when the piston comes up to TDC the area between the piston dome and the head is called the Squish band. By reducing the band down to approx 1mm this will have the effect of raising the Compression ratio.

    To check this squish band we need to get some lead solder wire and place it on the dome of the piston.The head is replaced and the engine is slowly turned over using the kick starter. The piston will compress the solder and this is then measured using a vernier. The engineering shop can then use this to determine how much material is removed from the head.

    Hope this helps :unsure:

    Ollie B)

    I’m with ya now, thanks ;)

    Continue………. :)

    #176185

    Liam
    Member

    Ollie wrote:

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    Thanks Diddel how much coin did it cost for the head work?

    Ollie

    $130.
    I noticed a nice difference in power.

    #176186

    Dean
    Member

    Diddel wrote:

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    Ollie wrote:

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    Thanks Diddel how much coin did it cost for the head work?

    Ollie

    $130.
    I noticed a nice difference in power.

    Happy with that,

    I will also give greg ball a call ;)

    Ollie

    jack maybe photies to follow ;)

    #176187

    Bruce Curtis
    Member

    On top of that, sometimes the combustion chamber shape is not right for a complete charge burn, this can be by intention or just the way it is, the answer is to reshape the bowl to suit. depending on the engine but quite often the gains achieved by doing this can and will outstrip any other single mod you will make.

    YZs, CRs and RMs are notorious for it, and isn’t the gasser engine loosely based on the CR250 honda engine?

    BC

    #176198

    Dean
    Member

    yeah Bruce I believe the Gasser is loosely based on the CR,I can see on the bowl where some improvements can be done,it does appear as though the flame spread is not to bad, I will mention this to the Guru’s.

    Ollie

    #176071

    Roy
    Member

    I’m pretty sure I understand what you’re trying to do but have a couple of questions.

    1) By shave the head I assume you mean machining down the flat mating surface on the head so that the compression goes up due to reduced volume at the top of the stroke.

    2) By shaping I assume you mean that the domed part inside the head is machined away (as well as mating surfaces) to a better shape to allow for better fuel burn.

    3) None of this will effect the distance that the spark plug screws into the head, so is the distance between the end of the spark plug and the piston the limiting factor or is there changes that can be made here too.

    4) How much extra compression can the materials etc handle before life expectancy is reduced in exchange for performance gain.

    5) I have a 2T but I’m guessing this can increase performance on 4T as well.

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