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November 3, 2010 at 10:05 pm #99121
After seeing this post by Krusty in the Suttos thread it got me thinking.
Krusty wrote:
Quote:With the dollar now in parity it will be interesting to now see what the retailers here will do..
Good on ya Suttos!!!
Most of them will just whinge that everyone is buying over seas and do nothing about it.
Good on Suttos for being pro active and combating the disparity in prices.
It is all well and good to spend your hard earned over seas in order to save a few bucks,if everyone did it though, our “local” bike shops will go down the drain and you wont have the convienience of being able to rip down there at the last minute looking for a tube or whatever. Before you shop OS give it some thought. I know one of the shops I shop at, is much dearer than OS but the OS stores don’t sponsor OBT, our local bike club or give local blokes jobs, so I continue to support my local dealers.
I have never bought any ride gear from OS and probably never will, because of the hassles one may have if it is the wrong size etc. I will admit to buying a full top end for my sons bike from Eric Gorr in America,as he is the go to man for KX modifications and am happy with the performance gain for the money spent.
I haven’t got an answer to solving the difference in prices but would like to see our members supporting the guys who support us.
That is my two bobs worth.
November 3, 2010 at 10:17 pm #190060micknmeld wrote:
Quote:After seeing this post by Krusty in the Suttos thread it got me thinking.Krusty wrote:
Quote:With the dollar now in parity it will be interesting to now see what the retailers here will do..
Good on ya Suttos!!!
Most of them will just whinge that everyone is buying over seas and do nothing about it.
Good on Suttos for being pro active and combating the disparity in prices.
It is all well and good to spend your hard earned over seas in order to save a few bucks,if everyone did it though, our “local” bike shops will go down the drain and you wont have the convienience of being able to rip down there at the last minute looking for a tube or whatever. Before you shop OS give it some thought. I know one of the shops I shop at, is much dearer than OS but the OS stores don’t sponsor OBT, our local bike club or give local blokes jobs, so I continue to support my local dealers.
I have never bought any ride gear from OS and probably never will, because of the hassles one may have if it is the wrong size etc. I will admit to buying a full top end for my sons bike from Eric Gorr in America,as he is the go to man for KX modifications and am happy with the performance gain for the money spent.
I haven’t got an answer to solving the difference in prices but would like to see our members supporting the guys who support us.
That is my two bobs worth.
Totally agree with you mick, onya Sutto’s ++++
however when there is a substantial difference between suppliers the question has to be asked. All anybody wants is a fair deal and not to be shafted, but if a part over here is $147 and the same part from the US $92.00AU delivered, it makes you wonder.
Loyalty (for lack of a better word) is a 2 way street
cheers Hatto
November 3, 2010 at 10:22 pm #190080There is a difference though between what we pay and what they pay, for a dealer there would be additional taxes like import duties that the personal buyer is exempt from.
November 3, 2010 at 10:28 pm #190081Hatto wrote:
Quote:Totally agree with you mick, onya Sutto’s ++++however when there is a substantial difference between suppliers the question has to be asked. All anybody wants is a fair deal and not to be shafted, but if a part over here is $147 and the same part from the US $92.00AU delivered, it makes you wonder.
Loyalty (for lack of a better word) is a 2 way street
cheers Hatto
I am hearing you Hatto, The temptation is there.
Only yesterday I enquired about the new FOX Roost protectors.
I was quoted $179.00 here in OZ.
My son was online this morning and found the same ones in the States for $99 + freight.
Makes you wonder who is making the big margins on a lot of this stuff that is now mostly made in China at a fraction of the end price presented to us here in OZ.November 3, 2010 at 10:30 pm #190082Jeffro wrote:
Quote:There is a difference though between what we pay and what they pay, for a dealer there would be additional taxes like import duties that the personal buyer is exempt from.Jeffro, you will probably find that the “import duties” are only 10% gst on the invoice price of the goods, freight and insurance.
November 3, 2010 at 10:37 pm #190083Jeffro wrote:
Quote:There is a difference though between what we pay and what they pay, for a dealer there would be additional taxes like import duties that the personal buyer is exempt from.Yes but only the GST would apply I think. The offset for this is wholesale buying power and volume as opposed to one offs.
hatto
November 3, 2010 at 10:38 pm #190061At the moment we are getting smashed by U.S prices, on alot of stuff you guys can get it at the same price we get off our suppliers and its killing us.
We will be loosing alot of profit doing this sale but A)We want to keep our customers happy. and
We need to get rid of as much gear as possible so we dont get stuck with it.
We will never be able to stop people buying stuff over seas but this way we can show the customers that we are trying to do something about it.Cheers
ScottNovember 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm #190089Local shops are governed by the importers more than you think. Volume is what the O/S shops have look at the countries numbers, volume for them means better buying power which means better prices to the consumer which means more sales which increases their demand which increases their volume which improves their buying power, get it.
Jeffro wrote:Quote:There is a difference though between what we pay and what they pay, for a dealer there would be additional taxes like import duties that the personal buyer is exempt from.Exactly Jeffro but no one remembers that, have you noticed that your overseas package from BTO or the likes is listed as a gift on the shipping invoice?
Hatto wrote:
Quote:However when there is a substantial difference between suppliers the question has to be asked. All anybody wants is a fair deal and not to be shafted, but if a part over here is $147 and the same part from the US $92.00AU delivered, it makes you wonder.Loyalty (for lack of a better word) is a 2 way street
cheers Hatto
Question your dealer Hatto I have, I have seen the invoice that they paid for my purchase before turning it onto me and there isn’t the mark up in it I thought there was it’s the importers that are getting rich, why do you think they lock up products with restrictions to O/S sales. A few years ago you couldn’t buy a Leatt in the states and have shipped here, cost difference was nearly $400
My thinking is now that my buying power is OK, I and others here get looked after. I want an industry here for me and my kids in the future so I am happy to support it. Plus when I need something today I know that my shop will have it or will return the support favor and help me. If you purchased everything O/S and went to the shop to buy a bike or boots because you need them this weekend would you still expect them to discount and help you?
TB
November 3, 2010 at 10:49 pm #190085Importing is a tough business with so many things to contend with, and how much stock to buy etc etc, I don’t envy them at all – but all we want is products for a fair price, and loyalty should be rewarded and is why I support site sponsors.
hatto
November 3, 2010 at 10:55 pm #190062Not long got back from the US,some stuff was heaps cheaper than us but some not so much.
I was in major electrical store looking to buy a helmet cam and says to the bloke wheres all your range as only had 1 real cam and he comes back with everyone just buys them online as they can’t be bothered leaving the house.So same things happening over there.
A mate from work is still waiting for sprockets and chains for his sons YZ85, waited so long that he has now purchased local or the bike wasn’t going anywhere.
November 3, 2010 at 11:09 pm #190091Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Local shops are governed by the importers more than you think. Volume is what the O/S shops have look at the countries numbers, volume for them means better buying power which means better prices to the consumer which means more sales which increases their demand which increases their volume which improves their buying power, get it.
Jeffro wrote:Quote:There is a difference though between what we pay and what they pay, for a dealer there would be additional taxes like import duties that the personal buyer is exempt from.Exactly Jeffro but no one remembers that, have you noticed that your overseas package from BTO or the likes is listed as a gift on the shipping invoice?
Hatto wrote:
Quote:However when there is a substantial difference between suppliers the question has to be asked. All anybody wants is a fair deal and not to be shafted, but if a part over here is $147 and the same part from the US $92.00AU delivered, it makes you wonder.Loyalty (for lack of a better word) is a 2 way street
cheers Hatto
Question your dealer Hatto I have, I have seen the invoice that they paid for my purchase before turning it onto me and there isn’t the mark up in it I thought there was it’s the importers that are getting rich, why do you think they lock up products with restrictions to O/S sales. A few years ago you couldn’t buy a Leatt in the states and have shipped here, cost difference was nearly $400
My thinking is now that my buying power is OK, I and others here get looked after. I want an industry here for me and my kids in the future so I am happy to support it. Plus when I need something today I know that my shop will have it or will return the support favor and help me. If you purchased everything O/S and went to the shop to buy a bike or boots because you need them this weekend would you still expect them to discount and help you?
agree 100%
TB
No I wouldn’t expect the discount and that is why loyalty is the key.
I compete against imports every day, but am extremely loyal to aussie companies and product, some of my major suppliers go back nearly 40 years.cheers Hatto
November 3, 2010 at 11:11 pm #190063I have mixed feelings on this topic… I have been living here for 10 years now and have watched the retailers over charge over and over.. However, I strongly believe though it is not the retailers but the wholesalers that are the problem.. I understand that the retailers MUST buy from the wholesalers (correct me if wrong Tisco) and cannot import the products themselves which would cut out the middle man and bring the prices down..
The other issue I have is most retailers will not adjust their prices based on the value of the dollar… Most everyone is quick to put the prices up when the AU dollar goes down but do not do the opposite when the AU dollar goes up.. Look at petrol, a perfect example of the looting that goes on..
Variation on the selection of products to choose from is another problem I see.. In some cases we are stuck with what the wholesalers decide to bring in and other makers of similar type products are locked out of the market..
We are and have been a GLOBAL economy for some time now and with the Technological age upon us competition is now Global.. If changes are to be made they need to be made at the wholesale level in my not so humble opinion….
A few examples for some items I have been looking to buy…
Two Brothers M7 slip on exhaust (aluminum)
Aussie dealer – $550 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Two-Brothers-Slip-Exhaust-DRZ400-00-2010-E-Models-/270655291315?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f044fffb3US Dealer – $386 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150488505640&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
Optimus Crux LITE Stove with Terra solo Cookset Bundle
Aussie Dealer – $109.50 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290493990533&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITUS Dealer – $77 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180570098493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
November 3, 2010 at 11:23 pm #190092Krusty wrote:
Quote:Two Brothers M7 slip on exhaust (aluminum)
Aussie dealer – $550 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Two-Brothers-Slip-Exhaust-DRZ400-00-2010-E-Models-/270655291315?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f044fffb3US Dealer – $386 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150488505640&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
Optimus Crux LITE Stove with Terra solo Cookset Bundle
Aussie Dealer – $109.50 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290493990533&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITUS Dealer – $77 delivered – http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180570098493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
You are comparing apples and oranges there Krusty. E bay isnt a true reflection of all the factors spoken about here mate.
TB
November 3, 2010 at 11:25 pm #190093I am amazed that the Australian Govt is still allowing it to happen as there is a ton of GST they are missing out on as at this stage anything under $1000 comes in unflagged. I do believe in England now, a tax is payable for anything bought in from OS. Dunno how it works but have heard talk of it from a concerned bike shop owner.
November 3, 2010 at 11:48 pm #190095Trailboss wrote:
Quote:You are comparing apples and oranges there Krusty. E bay isnt a true reflection of all the factors spoken about here mate.TB
I disagree as Ebay is now a huge factor in deciding where people buy from…. What specific factors are you limiting this conversation to? The title says “Buying Gear from OS, right thing to do?” Both my examples are Buying gear from overseas… the discussion the other day on Boots had the TCX Pro 2 $280 delivered best price mentioned from here was $350 I think..
How about another example of buying overseas…
SM Pro Rims, Talon Hubs(uses DRZ wheel bearings and the speedo can be used) and Bull dog spokes
$840 + $120 shipping $960 Delivered.
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