ADV set ups – OLD Bull Trailriders

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February 9, 2011 at 10:43 pm #99553

glenn
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Ok,,,as most now know I have done the much publizised first ADV ride on my narny,, Not my cup of tea but odviously others love this form of riding.
This raises my question.???
I completed 500 ks on a pretty much stock set up DRZ 400 E. Yes my forks have been tweeked and I have removed the standard headlight, after marked tyre,,kenda carlsbad,(now rooted) after market tail light assembly,bar that the predator was in pretty much stock configoration and it felt normal to ride when I was in the limited forest trails we road on the way home.When on this ride I seen several bikes on this ride that the owners have spent time and money convertingtheir normal weekend trail riding bikes into an competent ADV bike.
My question is????? how much work needs to go into a bike to keep its handling/reliabilaty/grip/etc: once all the extra large fuel tanks and the luggage racks, and the techknowledge devices get mounted on these bikes.
Surley these add ons must change how the bike performs.

Boony

February 9, 2011 at 11:02 pm #196569

Nick Jackson
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Hi Boony
When I used my DRZ for the Cameron ride last year I added a 28 ltr tank and luggage on suspension that had been worked by Tekniks and I thought the same thing, this thing is going to handle shocking.

Too right it did. But only for the first 5th of a tank and on new tyres. Once the tyres scrubbed in and the tank was a bit lower it surprised me.

Everytime we fueled up it felt top heavy and scary but I took it on a sand dune single track from broken hill to Menindee with TB up front and Boulder on his Drz close behind and it was some of the best riding I’ve done. I had to keen reminding myself I had panniers on as I got some air off the top of the dunes.

So I think although the handling changes with the mods their is still a heap of fun to be had !!!

February 9, 2011 at 11:12 pm #196576

glenn
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Nickj wrote:

Hi Boony
When I used my DRZ for the Cameron ride last year I added a 28 ltr tank and luggage on suspension that had been worked by Tekniks and I thought the same thing, this thing is going to handle shocking.

Too right it did. But only for the first 5th of a tank and on new tyres. Once the tyres scrubbed in and the tank was a bit lower it surprised me.

Everytime we fueled up it felt top heavy and scary but I took it on a sand dune single track from broken hill to Menindee with TB up front and Boulder on his Drz close behind and it was some of the best riding I’ve done. I had to keen reminding myself I had panniers on as I got some air off the top of the dunes.

So I think although the handling changes with the mods their is still a heap of fun to be had !!!

Not questioning the fun to be had nick. Just wonering who changes all their suspension and other handling aspects of their bikes when they add another ???30 something Kgs to their bikes.

February 9, 2011 at 11:25 pm #196582

Greg
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Boony wrote:

Not questioning the fun to be had nick. Just wonering who changes all their suspension and other handling aspects of their bikes when they add another ???30 something Kgs to their bikes.

Boony thats the beauty of having your suspension done properly rather than a set of springs just stuck in your forks. When the valving is done by experts a turn or two on the clickers stops the forks bottoming and dipping under brakes. Nick uses his for both singles and ADV (well doesnt now) Suspension 90% valving 10% springs I reckon

The rest of your question well of course it handles different, it has to it weighs more

I will see if I can get Rudy to write a bit about valving and springs and their relationship to handling

TB

February 9, 2011 at 11:30 pm #196584

Nick Jackson
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The settings on my bike didn’t change when I added weight Boony, I think the perfect set up for my weight was achieved and as we don’t ride an adventure ride as aggressively as singles it’s able to do both very well.

February 9, 2011 at 11:33 pm #196585

Jeffrey Smith
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I think from memory Boulder told me he only had to adjust his clickers a couple of clicks when going from standard to large tank and back again.
The other thing to consider is that most of us rode our bikes with standard suspension for a while before the upgrades so the small changes from the weight are probably still better than when we ran our stock setup.

February 9, 2011 at 11:37 pm #196589

glenn
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Jeffro wrote:

I think from memory Boulder told me he only had to adjust his clickers a couple of clicks when going from standard to large tank and back again.
The other thing to consider is that most of us rode our bikes with standard suspension for a while before the upgrades so the small changes from the weight are probably still better than when we ran our stock setup.

Thats the info I was chasing jeffro.. Who actually changes their clickers and winds in or out their rear shock??,or do they just chuck on a shit load of weight to their bike and then ride:ohmy:

February 9, 2011 at 11:43 pm #196591

Greg
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Boony wrote:

Thats the info I was chasing jeffro.. Who actually changes their clickers and winds in or out their rear shock??,or do they just chuck on a shit load of weight to their bike and then ride:ohmy:

Boony thats what I wrote three posts ago :blink:

February 9, 2011 at 11:48 pm #196592

glenn
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Trailboss wrote:

Boony wrote:

Thats the info I was chasing jeffro.. Who actually changes their clickers and winds in or out their rear shock??,or do they just chuck on a shit load of weight to their bike and then ride:ohmy:

Boony thats what I wrote three posts ago :blink:

I was chasing WHO actuall does it TB, I know everyone should!!but who actually goes to the trouble ..

February 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm #196594

Greg
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Boony wrote:

Trailboss wrote:

Boony wrote:

Thats the info I was chasing jeffro.. Who actually changes their clickers and winds in or out their rear shock??,or do they just chuck on a shit load of weight to their bike and then ride:ohmy:

Boony thats what I wrote three posts ago :blink:

I was chasing WHO actuall does it TB, I know everyone should!!but who actually goes to the trouble ..

Yeah ok, Boulder had his suspension done probably ages ago and he has been around. I have fitted a heavier rear spring to Gaz’s and had his springs done by Tekniks. Krusty’s is the same although we dont know what his front end setup is or what weight (tekniks did it for the previous owner) rear spring I changed for him

TB

February 10, 2011 at 10:16 am #196570

Gary Bloxsome
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Hey There Boonad,
I’m more than happy to load my DR up with 28 litres of go go juice and then you can take it for a squirt on Friday and see how it handles with the extra weight, fork and spring set up. Don’t get it dirty though, that’s my job.

I’m staying at the farm stay Thursday night so the bike will be ready to go when you arrive Friday.

What do you reckon ?

Gaz

February 10, 2011 at 11:01 am #196571

Brendon Carre
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The whole Idea of spending money on suspension and getting proper weight springs and revalve etc . Is so that you can have the the ability to adjust your suspension to suit your riding. When I got my forks back from Teknik they had the clickers set at about mid range and they told me to experiment with them until I found the right tune for me.
Ride parks are a good place to experiment with this as you can ride the same track and adjust after each lap until you find what works best for you. Just remember to write all your changes down so you can go back to where you started if need be.
When I set the rear sag on the DR I had my riding gear on and panniers on the bike because thats how that bike will be used most of the time.
Money spent on suspension tuning is the best money you will spend on your bike IMO
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