An Apology

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    Jim Drew
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    I received a caution from the Admin’ regards coming close to to personal attacks on some members of this form. I hole heartedly apologies to any one that I may have upset with my comments, there was never any intention to cause despair to any one. But I make no apology what so ever for what I have written as these are my opinions and as this is an open forum I think I am quite entitled to make them, if not, so be it.

    I get so frustrated after spend the 25 to nearly 30 yrs in the back ground trying to promote the good point of our “sport”, only to find the you win over 1 person of some good to you cause only to loose the next 2 through the actions of some idiot. Users of State and Federal parks have a bad enough name as it is, and the only thing that will improve if at all is not to give you foe any ammo to use against you. I have been around for a while and have done quite a bit of bush bashing as well, but I have all ways tried not to bring to much attention to my actions. I would not be placing hard evidence (photo) on an open forum, as total disregard for the bush which is the way that it appears.

    One should consider that it is not you name appearing at the top of the page but The Old Bull Trail Riders and as such the admin will cop the shit first and not you. It is not your god given rite to fang around on crown land, it is that you are allowed to use it and if matters get much worse then they already are then They will just lock them down. It has been happening quite a bit down our way, with large areas of bush land being closed down to public access. Eg on the road between Koeton and Wheelers Creek thousands of acres shut up and declared wilderness also around Locharts Gap same thing and you can go on and on about it,I suppose you have the same thing up north?

    It is up to the younger people to do the rite thing and look after your ride areas as use old farts are getting sick of bashing our heads against a brick wall so to speak, as my time has come to a very abrupt due to health problems. But I will still be out riding in the bush when I feel up to it.
    Best wishes to all and catch you later.
    Jim Drew

    #200239

    Greg
    Member

    Great write Jim really good points mate. The moderators and myself have been watching the rec rego thread with the odd call discussing things as there is a heap of passion involved in the subject and opinions which is great I know a few people were sent a PM saying be careful we don’t want it to become personal and everyone should be congratulated on how such a passionate thread has been conducted without a drama.

    You are right about the things you have written there most members wouldnt know that we have here at OBT been pinned before for track marking on the north coast by national park rangers. When infact it was the local mountain bike club that had marked the trails. We got pinned and contacted here because bikes had been seen in the area and they had OBT stickers. Once cleared up it was all good but it took some sorting.

    My hate is over ridden areas and unregistered loud bikes both which do the reputation of the sport I love unrepairable damage. I have copped a lot a flack about my stand on unregistered bikes on Old Bull rides with even riders in the area the ride was being run saying “as locals thats their area and as such they should be able to ride their unregistered bike because it’s their area” well the state forest belongs to us all. I have also copped my share about my stance on over ridden areas but I know it’s what the state forests, NWPS and the powers to be use to shut our riding areas. I want this sport to be there for my boys to enjoy, I have been doing it now for nearly 40 years (yes maybe I am now a whinging old bastard) it was easier years ago and I know that I have contributed in my younger years to the over ridden areas and some of the sports problems. I have had problems with the police here where I live because of unregistered pit bikes riding the streets, I was visited and thought guilty because I owned bikes, one of those bikes I was told must be unregistered because it has race numbers on it! Imagine the coppers surprise when he found you can have numbers on registered bike. Thought to be guilty because I own bikes, the offender in question wasn’t caught by the police but sorted by some of us locals who explained the heat others were getting and how it would go his way unless he stopped, which he did.

    I cant imagine not be involved with bikes, with riding and the (mostly) amazing people that our sport brings together on a whole. I love the excitement that the sport brings when riding also when people stop and you see it in their eyes, hear it in their voice and their laughter. I still don’t sleep the night before most rides especially the bigger ones and never the night before a race, excited, nervous, worried everything wil be ok be it everyone will enjoy the ride to I hope my bike is prepared. I love it :)

    The hassles and crap that goes into organising a ride or OBTs day to day running at times leaves me saying and thinking why bother as some are quick to point out anything you haven’t done perfectly as we all know hind site is 20 20 vision. There are many reasons we do it but for me today seeing the passion in your post makes it all worth while

    Cheers Jim

    TB

    #200240

    Craig Hatton
    Member
    jimbo wrote:
    I received a caution from the Admin’ regards coming close to to personal attacks on some members of this form. I hole heartedly apologies to any one that I may have upset with my comments, there was never any intention to cause despair to any one. But I make no apology what so ever for what I have written as these are my opinions and as this is an open forum I think I am quite entitled to make them, if not, so be it.

    I get so frustrated after spend the 25 to nearly 30 yrs in the back ground trying to promote the good point of our “sport”, only to find the you win over 1 person of some good to you cause only to loose the next 2 through the actions of some idiot. Users of State and Federal parks have a bad enough name as it is, and the only thing that will improve if at all is not to give you foe any ammo to use against you. I have been around for a while and have done quite a bit of bush bashing as well, but I have all ways tried not to bring to much attention to my actions. I would not be placing hard evidence (photo) on an open forum, as total disregard for the bush which is the way that it appears.

    One should consider that it is not you name appearing at the top of the page but The Old Bull Trail Riders and as such the admin will cop the shit first and not you. It is not your god given rite to fang around on crown land, it is that you are allowed to use it and if matters get much worse then they already are then They will just lock them down. It has been happening quite a bit down our way, with large areas of bush land being closed down to public access. Eg on the road between Koeton and Wheelers Creek thousands of acres shut up and declared wilderness also around Locharts Gap same thing and you can go on and on about it,I suppose you have the same thing up north?

    It is up to the younger people to do the rite thing and look after your ride areas as use old farts are getting sick of bashing our heads against a brick wall so to speak, as my time has come to a very abrupt due to health problems. But I will still be out riding in the bush when I feel up to it.
    Best wishes to all and catch you later.
    Jim Drew

    +1

    Hatto

    #200246

    Craig Hatton
    Member
    Trailboss wrote:
    Great write Jim really good points mate. The moderators and myself have been watching the rec rego thread with the odd call discussing things as there is a heap of passion involved in the subject and opinions which is great I know a few people were sent a PM saying be careful we don’t want it to become personal and everyone should be congratulated on how such a passionate thread has been conducted without a drama.

    You are right about the things you have written there most members wouldnt know that we have here at OBT been pinned before for track marking on the north coast by national park rangers. When infact it was the local mountain bike club that had marked the trails. We got pinned and contacted here because bikes had been seen in the area and they had OBT stickers. Once cleared up it was all good but it took some sorting.

    My hate is over ridden areas and unregistered loud bikes both which do the reputation of the sport I love unrepairable damage. I have copped a lot a flack about my stand on unregistered bikes on Old Bull rides with even riders in the area the ride was being run saying “as locals thats their area and as such they should be able to ride their unregistered bike because it’s their area” well the state forest belongs to us all. I have also copped my share about my stance on over ridden areas but I know it’s what the state forests, NWPS and the powers to be use to shut our riding areas. I want this sport to be there for my boys to enjoy, I have been doing it now for nearly 40 years (yes maybe I am now a whinging old bastard) it was easier years ago and I know that I have contributed in my younger years to the over ridden areas and some of the sports problems. I have had problems with the police here where I live because of unregistered pit bikes riding the streets, I was visited and thought guilty because I owned bikes, one of those bikes I was told must be unregistered because it has race numbers on it! Imagine the coppers surprise when he found you can have numbers on registered bike. Thought to be guilty because I own bikes, the offender in question wasn’t caught by the police but sorted by some of us locals who explained the heat others were getting and how it would go his way unless he stopped, which he did.

    I cant imagine not be involved with bikes, with riding and the (mostly) amazing people that our sport brings together on a whole. I love the excitement that the sport brings when riding also when people stop and you see it in their eyes, hear it in their voice and their laughter. I still don’t sleep the night before most rides especially the bigger ones and never the night before a race, excited, nervous, worried everything wil be ok be it everyone will enjoy the ride to I hope my bike is prepared. I love it :)

    The hassles and crap that goes into organising a ride or OBTs day to day running at times leaves me saying and thinking why bother as some are quick to point out anything you haven’t done perfectly as we all know hind site is 20 20 vision. There are many reasons we do it but for me today seeing the passion in your post makes it all worth while

    Cheers Jim

    TB

    +1

    hatto

    #200241

    Alex
    Member

    Regarding apologies and personal attack issues, one of the best things about this forum is the mature behavior/audience here which makes the difference. The shots fired are obviously young in cheek. Would be great to keep it that way no matter how passionate the discussion. There are loads of forums around where personal attacks are a constant occurrence. I applaud any quiet moderation that might need to happen to encourage everyone to get involved in conversations, young or old without fear of being seriously offended.

    #200242

    Adam Rodgers
    Member

    Jim,

    I read all the posts and I didn’t feel that you were personally attacking anyone directly, and I don’t know if anyone felt that you did.

    I do agree we need to be careful with what we post in the public arena. ;)

    We as riders don’t need to give other interest groups that aren’t in our favour any amunition for arguements on track closures.

    Having said that alot of “single trail” is simply overgrown old tracks and roads that aren’t maintained anymore, however the appearance still isn’t necessarily good, and appearance matters.

    It’s the sort of discussion that was had that makes people think about what we do. We don’t all have all the answers, however we all have some answers and combined we may have all the answers.

    My 2 cents worth.

    Adam.

    #200243

    Dwayne O
    Member

    No need for any apologoes I reckon Jimbo,
    Some good point are raised in that thread by all I reckon;)

    I too like TB, had visits from police one day as there was a complaint rung in about ilegals ripping back & forth down our residential street,,,, I happened to be washing my bike in the back yard (which opened to a back dirt access road where the bikes rode)
    He quizzed me on where I ride & checked my rego etc etc etc, we got to chatting for a long time on the local issues & there was a fully enclosed trailer he was interested in catching parked there, as it was out of rego by 18 months:huh:
    He never caught them, cause they spotted his car & took off for another 4 hrs into the scrub & waited for him to go (there were about 8 bikes he could have got too)

    We seem to be fighting a never ending battle to keep our sport clear of idiots, maybe we never will, who knows???

    Cheers mate

    #200259

    Jim Drew
    Member

    Thanks to all for the kind words, I like TB said am very passionate about our sport and only wish some of the bikes you have available to you now were available in my younger days. Any way I might see some of you out and about some day.

    I don’t have any problem with the Admin re the caution as I could see my self that the debate could have easily have got out of hand.

    Thanks to all,
    Jimbo

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