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Yep I can see both points of view. the majority of sales of bikes goes to Plonkers like us :laugh: who really are probably better off on a 4T. When a 2T shits itself maybe $1500 to rebuild ? If a 4T goes big well the dollars are twice that amount. With the reduced emissions of the new 2T’s I cant see nothing but a rosey future for the 2T and the slow demise of those god awful smelly loud 4 strokes :laugh:
Just my opinion
PS that GG 300 is very very Noice !
Ollie
Trailboss wrote:And then sold it
TB
And loving the Berg too! I do miss the 300 though and kinda regret selling it, I was going to keep it. I’ve had 3 bikes before though and I only ever ride the newest one, so I knew it would just sit there not being ridden like my 450 was when the 300 turned up.
The 4 banger motor is just plain easier to ride for gheylords who can’t ride though. If I was the fast racer type I’d be looking at a 250 smoker again, maybe even a CRF250 4 banger :ohmy:
My two-cents worth having recently purchased a new 2T and the reason “why” …
I actually mulled over the decision of “what” to buy for ages (brand and engine type), feeling like I was going against the norm for even considering a 2T. In the end it came down to:
1/ History: I grew up on them. Even though I owned a few 4T’s as well like XR200, 250 and 600
2/ Servicing and Repair: I can fix a 2T myself … I have no idea of all the bits in a 4T
3/ Cost of ownership: Saving money by fixing and servicing it myself
4/ The noise … love it! I’ve always considered the sound of a four-stroke a bit “putt-putt broom-broom”.
5/ The Warnings: I had soooo many friends that still ride (down VIC way) tell me how “highly tuned the 4T’s are these days”, and how “they have to be serviced often”, and stuff like that “if you drop one with the throttle stuck on full they’re likely to blow something” etc etc …. basically I thought “screw that, I’m gettting a two-stroke!”.
Ollie wrote:Yep I can see both points of view. the majority of sales of bikes goes to Plonkers like us :laugh: who really are probably better off on a 4T. When a 2T shits itself maybe $1500 to rebuild ? If a 4T goes big well the dollars are twice that amount. With the reduced emissions of the new 2T’s I cant see nothing but a rosey future for the 2T and the slow demise of those god awful smelly loud 4 strokes :laugh:Just my opinion
PS that GG 300 is very very Noice !
Ollie
Blah Blah Blah :laugh: That doesnt answer my question to your statement that was “One day the japs will realise the way of the future is the 2T ” How does that dribble answer my question mate
TB
They will have to produce an engine that will conform to an even stricter emissions protocol ATM its looking more and more like the DI 2T’s like the engine being run in the CanAm snow mobiles and DI 2T outboards and the yet to be released OSSA is the way of the future.
Ollie
razzle wrote:My two-cents worth having recently purchased a new 2T and the reason “why” …I actually mulled over the decision of “what” to buy for ages (brand and engine type), feeling like I was going against the norm for even considering a 2T. In the end it came down to:
1/ History: I grew up on them. Even though I owned a few 4T’s as well like XR200, 250 and 600
2/ Servicing and Repair: I can fix a 2T myself … I have no idea of all the bits in a 4T
3/ Cost of ownership: Saving money by fixing and servicing it myself
4/ The noise … love it! I’ve always considered the sound of a four-stroke a bit “putt-putt broom-broom”.
5/ The Warnings: I had soooo many friends that still ride (down VIC way) tell me how “highly tuned the 4T’s are these days”, and how “they have to be serviced often”, and stuff like that “if you drop one with the throttle stuck on full they’re likely to blow something” etc etc …. basically I thought “screw that, I’m gettting a two-stroke!”.2. If you can fix a 2t, you can fix a 4t (without going into pulling the whole engine down). The top ends have more parts and may take a smidge longer but for the amount of times you’d have to do it I reckon ot’s almost a moot point.
3. See above, for most day to day, even year to year stuff there isn’t any extra work between them. For every top end you do in a 2t you adjust the valves on the 4t.
4. Good point, a crisp 2t on song does awesome. Then again so does an angry four stroke to me when giving it some berries.
5. Bullshit. They are no more susceptible in this regard than any other bike. No bike is going to last very long if you keep getting the throttle stuck on full with no load on the motor. My 570 Berg runs a lower compression than my 300 2 stoke did, so the highly tuned bit is a bit unwarranted.
Either way, most modern bikes are pretty good, as much as we may pick the differences they generally are reliable, fast and trustworthy if properly maintained.
2t’s and carbies are much easier to work on though! The Berg is a pain in the ass, you have to take something off to get at, or adjust anything!
Nato wrote:Its not a electric one though. this is the kato version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2eUucG4gwUgreat video to watch nato
Must practice that bit where he rides up a tree a bit and then bounces back down :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
they do look like a good idea though, half trials/half enduro
moto wrote:5. Bullshit. They are no more susceptible in this regard than any other bike. No bike is going to last very long if you keep getting the throttle stuck on full with no load on the motor. My 570 Berg runs a lower compression than my 300 2 stoke did, so the highly tuned bit is a bit unwarranted.I thought number 5 might get a reaction
Was kinda hoping “putt-putt broom-broom” did as well though too
Quite antagonistic I thought 👿razzle wrote:moto wrote:Was kinda hoping “putt-putt broom-broom” did as well though too
Quite antagonistic I thought 👿4 stroke riders are not offended mate. They are comfortable with their decision.
STM
Fair enuff tooChances are (it’s my personality) in 6 months time I’m gonna be saying “I’m selling the Berg 300 and buying a xxxx!” 2T or 4T whatever it is I’ll be happy with my purchase … and that’s what matters.
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