Are lithium batteries sh#t ?

[AlexMember]

Mobile phone batteries are best used between 20 & 80% charge. For long term storage they should be kept around 50% charge.

[drewMember]

Mobile ph batts are Lipo, the bike one it Lion. Different beasts altogether.

I’ll be sticking with my $36 Sla from jaycar, been in use since 09, only had to charge it a hand full of times.

[Nick JacksonMember]

After a full 8 hours charging my Lithium battery reads 12.4v on the multi , low on the batteries own gauge and will not turn a bike ?? Give me 240volts any day

Nick

[AlexMember]

xy-transit wrote:

Mobile ph batts are Lipo, the bike one it Lion. Different beasts altogether.

I’ll be sticking with my $36 Sla from jaycar, been in use since 09, only had to charge it a hand full of times.

Well excuse me. You sound like the expert here. You might want to head over to battery university and do some reading old bull.

My advise on Li-po applies to Li-ion as well. You may also be surprised to know there are/were mobile phones that run Li-ion batteries.

And so I correct my previous mention of 50% storage, apparently 40% is the better storage level. The only point to what I am saying is if you need to store your lithium motorcycle battery for a long time don’t charge the crap out of it before you do. Also the enemy of most if not all types of batteries is heat and over charging.

My signature disclaimer always applies.

[drewMember]

axel wrote:

xy-transit wrote:

Mobile ph batts are Lipo, the bike one it Lion. Different beasts altogether.

I’ll be sticking with my $36 Sla from jaycar, been in use since 09, only had to charge it a hand full of times.

Well excuse me. You sound like the expert here. You might want to head over to battery university and do some reading old bull.

My advise on Li-po applies to Li-ion as well. You may also be surprised to know there are/were mobile phones that run Li-ion batteries.

And so I correct my previous mention of 50% storage, apparently 40% is the better storage level. The only point to what I am saying is if you need to store your lithium motorcycle battery for a long time don’t charge the crap out of it before you do. Also the enemy of most if not all types of batteries is heat and over charging.

My signature disclaimer always applies.

Yup! Expert= X- un known quantity. Spert- drip under pressure!

You’re right on storing Lipo, however they are different in charge cycles, Lipo are not made to be fully discharged they aren’t ment to get lower than 3.0v per cell and no higher than 4.2v per cell. Fully charged.

Lion batteries Suffer memory effect if just topped up, the are best if as close to fully discharged before regarding.

And the ph using lion is correct too, and would use the appropriate charger. As has been discussed in relation to battery types. Lion are charged determined by total voltage. Lipo are charged by cell count not voltage.

Lion batteries are charged as a unit even though they are made of cells similar to lipos. You can charge lipos in the same fashion, but work best when each cell is charged individually. Also helps to keep a check on cell condition.

automotive Lipo batteries have an onboard management system.

[Alan RootsMember]

I have had a Shorai Lithium battery in my 950 SE for about 3 years , the thing I have found with lithium is .. you don’t charge them . Use the bike , turn it off , come back to it 3 months later and hit the button , bastard spins slowly , release the button and let rest 20 seconds with ignition on , hit the button again and usually the bike starts , if not repeat the process . They take some time to warm up when temps are below 10 or so degrees but do warm up when current is drawn via cranking the motor . Mine even survived a faulty regulator out in the Simpson Desert , with a little jump start from another 9×0 with a Shorai battery . If you buy anything cheap , well ….. trouble usually follows . My Shorai was about $250 . The std yuasa is about $125 .

[Scott HanleyMember]

I bought a shorai also and have no problems about 14 month old, I also bought a charger for it as they said you need a specific charger or a old coil charger and have never had to charge it.
My bike was left unstarted for 6 months as I had a shoulder op last July and started first time which impressed me.
I mentioned to a Freind the other day about it as his battery had died so he went down to the place I got mine and they informed him they don’t sell them anymore as they have had too many problems.
Been lucky so far fingers crossed It hangs in there

[Jason AndersonMember]

Will not buy or have a lithium battery ever again?
A month after my warranty finished my lithium battery died… 👿 👿 👿 👿
I went lithium for light weigth,plus all the hype they will out last any battery…
WRONG…………..

Ive now just bout a motobatt battery…. I hope this will last 6 years like my last battery…

…spud…

[David MasonMember]

I have had a Shorai in my DR for about three years now. Like Oldfatbeerman said, slow to crank when cold but works fine on second or third go from cold, once warm no different to any other battery.
Never had to charge it and my bike quite often will sit for three or four weeks without being started.
I would buy another without even thinking twice.
Just my experience

[Eric SmithMember]

For the money, are the Lithium batteries worth it? I mean really, I have used lead-acid or gel-mat batteries in bikes and ride-on mowers for years. I own a trickle charger but only use it when the batteries reach the end of their service lives. Even the DR-Z 250 just sits for weeks at a go then starts when I hit the button. I might have to upgrade batteries once in 3 years. Batteries cost about $60.

I guess the weight saving thing doesn’t matter to me, because I’d be better laying off the pies and losing a few kilos myself before picking things on the bike, like the battery, to be weight problems! Or, I could stop carrying a spare tube and assorted nuts and bolts in my camelback, or not carry a camera, or phone, but you get the idea.

Just asking, because it seems a bit gimmicky for an average trail rider to me!

[Nick JacksonMember]

ECKS-Man wrote:

For the money, are the Lithium batteries worth it? I mean really, I have used lead-acid or gel-mat batteries in bikes and ride-on mowers for years. I own a trickle charger but only use it when the batteries reach the end of their service lives. Even the DR-Z 250 just sits for weeks at a go then starts when I hit the button. I might have to upgrade batteries once in 3 years. Batteries cost about $60.

I guess the weight saving thing doesn’t matter to me, because I’d be better laying off the pies and losing a few kilos myself before picking things on the bike, like the battery, to be weight problems! Or, I could stop carrying a spare tube and assorted nuts and bolts in my camelback, or not carry a camera, or phone, but you get the idea.

Just asking, because it seems a bit gimmicky for an average trail rider to me!

Great comment there Ecks and I agree with you 100% , I orginally bought mine as an improvement rather than a weight saver , a battery that was maintenance free and had a long shelf life , weighed bugger all and cranked hard seemed like the best thing !!! Not so sure now , just about to go for a warranty claim and battery no.2 :pinch:

Nick

[Jeffrey SmithMember]

As of today I would say yes they are shit. Oldfatbeermans has died on us in the middle of Myall river forest and we are piggy backing with one battery between us until we get onto decent roads for towing. Should have head breakfast and really want some lunch now. This could take a while

[Nick JacksonMember]

Jeffro wrote:

As of today I would say yes they are shit. Oldfatbeermans has died on us in the middle of Myall river forest and we are piggy backing with one battery between us until we get onto decent roads for towing. Should have head breakfast and really want some lunch now. This could take a while

No good at all mate !! We all should have head for breakfast too

[GregMember]

Nickj wrote:

Jeffro wrote:

As of today I would say yes they are shit. Oldfatbeermans has died on us in the middle of Myall river forest and we are piggy backing with one battery between us until we get onto decent roads for towing. Should have head breakfast and really want some lunch now. This could take a while

No good at all mate !! We all should have head for breakfast too

They had two KTMs on their rides Nick, dont worry about the lithium battery they had no chance. The trailer turning up was a given :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Poor buggers, I read on FB they got the bike to town, even located a new battery. Installed the battery and then the wiring started smoking :ohmy: got a trailer ride home after wife came and bailed OFBM and the 950 out

TB

[Dwayne OMember]

Smoking wiring ??? :S
Something sounds suspect there,, it`s not like Al to have issues with the 950.

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