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  • #152001

    Matt Baker
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    what about the exhaust

    #152000

    Greg
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    champo35 wrote:

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    did tb just put up a post and remove it or did i fall asleep and dream it?

    anyway tb.

    springs compress, twist, do all sorts of flexing. and i’m told expandand radially
    shocks also pivot.

    thats why there is a gap between your spring and airboot

    I did but I wanted to get my facts correct, so I rang a shock re builder and when he stopped laughing at me :angry: he said that the deflection would be so small it couldnt happen because the shock couldnt be that close to the exhaust, heat would kill it before anything else, he also has a shock dyno and said when he does my rear shock he can show me. I then went and measured the gap between my air box and shock. I looked on youtube to explain it better.

    Please see my previous post on the 1st page to help explain

    TB

    #152003

    Anonymous

    LC4skin wrote:

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    what about the exhaust

    i’m a mechanical engineer not an automotive engineer. but ducati wraps their pipes too. so i guess that tuned length pipes are unavoidable in 4t

    #152004

    Matt Baker
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    i guess the same as you have to have an expansion chamber on a 2 stroke

    #152005

    Greg
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    Yes Champo pipe length is important like a two dinger

    TB

    #152006

    Matt Baker
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    Check this bad boy out, looks like a coiled snake.

    Its for a CBR 1000 RR akro.jpg

    #152008

    Greg
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    LC4skin wrote:

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    Check this bad boy out, looks like a coiled snake.

    Its for a CBR 1000 RR akro.jpg

    Yeah with a power bomb thing, its all tuned length

    TB

    #152007

    Anonymous

    Trailboss wrote:

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    Yes Champo pipe length is important like a two dinger

    TB

    thanks for that tb. i was curoius why i shoundn’t run my 125 pipe on my 300.

    actually i’m getting a longer pipe made for the 125.

    and lc. if you want to see how tuned lengths are a problem. take a look at your brothers bike.
    i never understood why they ran pipes out of the head on the same side as the muffler. very untidy
    honda sorted that problem out on this years crf450

    #152009

    Greg
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    champo35 wrote:

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    thanks for that tb. i was curoius why i shoundn’t run my 125 pipe on my 300.

    actually i’m getting a longer pipe made for the 125.

    What does a longer pipe do on two stroke, or which bit will be longer, I know nothing about two stroke pipes and would rather learn from someone then goggle :)

    And to the top comment, why what would happen if you ran a 125 pipe on a 300, again lack of two stroke knowledge :(

    TB

    #152010

    Matt Baker
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    yeah the exhaust on the KLX does stick out a long way, it is a problem but maybe one the technology heads will figure out one day in the future

    #152011

    Anonymous

    Very basically: the shock waves rundown the pipe, reflect off the reverse cone, travel back up to the exhaust port pushing in the unburnt charge. Therefore super charging the engine from the exhaust port. (Note: with the pressure from the crankcase gives even more super charging from the transfer ports)

    So the length of the pipe determines the time it takes for the effect to work. Match this with the revs to get the desired power surge. Power at high revs for 125s (short distance to the reverse cone), power at low revs for 500s (long distance to the reverse cone). The difference in diameters also effect.

    For example. A mate is going to make a pipe for my Elsinore, he is making me a pipe that has similar diameters (with same diameter stinger) but slightly longer than my current (I can’t remember the exact length off hand). This is being matched to a cylinder that my mate is making out of a MT cylinder because there is more metal to make a more modern port dimensions. I have also sourced a reed block from the era so that we can run a boost port. This is all worked out by using computer programs. Then work backward by choosing the fuel we are to use, spark mapping, power curves etc. Then generate the motor; and make it.

    The 1995 cr125 I used to race used a fmf fat pipe with 10mm removed from it by cutting and rewelding it in 2 places. This was matched to a complimentary port job and I ran a larger carb. This made a bike that was awesome at fast open tracks like chinaman springs, but was dangerous at technical tracks like parramata sx. I found out this the hurt way.

    #152053

    Anonymous

    i had a think about tuned lengths and 4t engines last night. i reckon they are using the pressure wave to create a lower pressure area in the cylinder. i imagine that it would be less dramatic then the effect 2t achieve. but by the lengths (pun intended) the manufacturers go to it would be definitely worth while.

    so LC. I reckon that the effect could be achieved as us suggested without all the pipe. But would be more cumbersome than the tuned length method

    when i get time i will research this. like most engineering, the more you get into it, the deeper the roots get.

    #152002

    Anonymous

    I have to agree with TB, if the spring was doing the damage it was reported to have done I’d be looking long and hard at the spring way before I even thought about moving anything else…..

    Yamaha’s…..they’re blue…..ghey……and the point of this thread :dry:

    #152083

    Anonymous

    that hotted up DR motard bike at graeham boyds has a massive diamater short header on it. so the thing is meant to rev. and rev hard. i have heard it was made for rob jones. but i hear a lot of things.

    like i said, the more you look into it the more find
    below is an extract from wikipedia
    i think a animated diagram would be better

    When an engine starts its exhaust stroke, the piston moves up the cylinder bore, decreasing the total chamber volume. With the exhaust valve open, the high pressure exhaust gas escapes into the exhaust manifold or header, creating an exhaust pulse comprising three main parts: The high-pressure head is created by the large pressure difference between the exhaust in the combustion chamber and the atmospheric pressure outside of the exhaust system. As the exhaust gases equalize between the combustion chamber and the atmosphere, the difference in pressure decreases and the exhaust velocity decreases. This forms the medium-pressure body component of the exhaust pulse. The remaining exhaust gas forms the low-pressure tail component. This tail component may initially match ambient atmospheric pressure, but the momentum of the high- and medium- pressure components reduces the pressure in the combustion chamber to a lower-than-atmospheric level. This relatively low pressure helps to extract all the combustion products from the cylinder and induct the intake charge during the overlap period when both intake and exhaust valves are partially open. The effect is known as scavenging. Length, cross-sectional area, and shaping of the exhaust ports and pipeworks influences the degree of scavenging effect, and the engine speed range over which scavenging occurs.

    The magnitude of the exhaust scavenging effect is a direct function of the velocity of the high and medium pressure components of the exhaust pulse. Performance headers work to increase the exhaust velocity as much as possible. One technique is tuned-length primary tubes. This technique attempts to time the occurrence of each exhaust pulse, to occur one after the other in succession while still in the exhaust system. The lower pressure tail of an exhaust pulse then serves to create a greater pressure difference between the high pressure head of the next exhaust pulse, thus increasing the velocity of that exhaust pulse. In V6 and V8 engines where there is more than one exhaust bank, Y-pipes and X-pipes work on the same principle of using the low pressure component of an exhaust pulse to increase the velocity of the next exhaust pulse.

    Great care must be used when selecting the length and diameter of the primary tubes. Tubes that are too large will cause the exhaust gas to expand and slow down, decreasing the scavenging effect. Tubes that are too small will create backpressure against which the engine must work to expel the exhaust gas from the chamber, reducing power and leaving exhaust in the chamber to dilute the incoming intake charge. Since engines produce more exhaust gas at higher speeds, the header(s) are tuned to a particular engine speed range according to the intended application. Typically, wide primary tubes offer the best gains in power and torque at higher engine speeds, while narrow tubes offer the best gains at lower speeds.

    Many headers are also resonance tuned, to utilize the low-pressure reflected wave rarefaction pulse which can help scavenging the combustion chamber during valve overlap. This pulse is created in all exhaust systems each time a change in density occurs, such as when exhaust merges into the collector. For clarification, the rarefaction pulse is the technical term for the same process that was described above in the “head, body, tail” description. By tuning the length of the primary tubes, usually by means of resonance tuning, the rarefaction pulse can be timed to coincide with the exact moment valve overlap occurs. Typically, long primary tubes resonate at a lower engine speed than short primary tubes.

    Some modern exhaust headers are available with a ceramic coating. This coating serves to prohibit rust and to reduce the amount of heat radiated into the engine bay. The heat reduction will help prevent intake manifold heat soak, which will decrease the temperature of the air entering the engine.

    #152090

    Anonymous

    :huh:

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