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November 23, 2008 at 10:50 pm #95426
Need a little guidance here laddies and Lasses,
My ’03 YZ250WR has the exact same braking set up as the WR250/450 & YZ250 from it’s year so it may be the same across the board.This is the problem
I don’t rely on the front brake as often as some of the younger blokes I ride with, probably because the old drums we cut our teeth on were pretty useless, but I do like them to work anyway.
I also am prone to a bit of skylarkery with one handed mono’s (flips:blush: ), and stoppies (i shall call them this, you may see them as “crumples”) occasional double peacies over small jumps, feet up large circle doughies and the like, basically I am an old hoon who tries to hone his unimpressive skills base with bike control tasks:blush:Now I have discovered that the front brakes on the YZ were a bit suss to say the least (the drum on my RM125D was far better:huh: ), so while the forks have been away being “strengthened” I decided to do a bit of maintenance, bled old fluid, completely cleaned and checked front disc, tore the caliper apart, cleaned & greased, roughed up pads (very heavy sintered bronze ones) and immersed them in cleaner.
Put the whole shebang back together, checked lever pressure, not bad so went about my business assuming all would be well done this a hundred times only simple hydraulics anyway, do it right and all works fine, big floatig disc and twin pot should pull this little bike up on a dime.
Well yesterday after finally getting the bike completely back together I asked #1 Daughter to take a few pix of the old man doing monos & stoppies in the driveway:silly: ….you know charge around the back yard, snick into second through the carports and shed get halfway up the concrete and slide forward up the tank and firmly apply brake and increase pressure until…………….NOTHING…NOTHING AT ALL, in fact the closed front gates are coming up a bit too quickly, bike does slow down somewhat and I do manage to uncompress the rear end but this is with my 100 kg frame right over the bars. I stop put the foot down to listen to the howls of laughter eminating from my cheeky sod of an offspring, and not one decent photograph from the little (yeah right 11 yr old- 5’6″ & 72 kgs) so and so, not even one of me kneeling on the seat, one handed, laid over doing circle work, “just checking the camera settings Dad, do it again”, yeah right only got one of them in me a season i tells ya, specially with the midrange hit of a YZ250.So I have a few ideas but need direction from others who have had/heard/know of this happening elsewhere.
#1-brake pads are very heavy mix of Bronze sintered material, looks almost like no fibrous organics in there at all..maybe too hard or incompatable with disc
#2- the stupid pressure switch that piggybacks off the mastercylinder banjo bolt bleeds off too much pressure?
#3-It’s a Dud setup and they’re all like this from ’02-’05 (are they Slug?) unfortunately my mates ’93 model has superior brakes
#4- I am an idiot and have overlooked a basic issue here.
Fire aways learned compadre’s cause this is annoying me
Mr Blue
November 23, 2008 at 11:00 pm #112892
AnonymousCan you clarify that you had no lever pressure or that the brake pads simply didn’t grip the disk and slow you down. I assume you have cleaned the disk of any oil or grease with brake cleaner.
The pressure switch will make no difference to the feel of the brakes as it is simply part of the brakeline system. You can probably safely remove it as they do tend to get damaged in a big off. If you are worried about ADR requirements, the rear brake switch still operates the brakelights. I don’t have any brakelight switches on my WR. I have rigged up the horn button to operate the light, if ever I need an operating brakelight. I obviously don’t have a horn either…….nothing a little blue pill can’t fix:huh:
I can’t offer an opinion on the WR’s brake performance compared to other bikes as I don’t ride very much (last ride was over 18 months ago) , plus I haven’t ridden any other bikes to compare
November 23, 2008 at 11:12 pm #112894Thanks Slug got heaps of lever pressure not as much as a brembo, but still quite firm without being touchy. Have thoroughly cleaned the whole system with various fluids, but no lubricating compounds where there should be none same as a 100 times before on all sorts of systems and vehicles, it really feels like glazing, but there is none to be seen.
Mr Blue
now with no brakesNovember 23, 2008 at 11:25 pm #112893
AnonymousI can only think it is pad related. Maybe the sintered pads need to be warmed up to work effectively. Is it worth getting some very cheap aftermarket pads as a comparison?
November 23, 2008 at 11:29 pm #112895Ha ha ha ha,you pair of clowns!! that was certainly worth the read!! Funniest stuff I have seen on here in a while.
November 23, 2008 at 11:30 pm #112896I think it is pad releated going by what you have said if thats the way it is, I run a hard sintered pad that has lasted me for two years front and back, they do come good after the warm up. A braided line always helps but you say you have enough lever pressure. I dont know if cheap pads are the answer I would try a good brand soft pad maybe?
I dont go for a super stopping power strong brake. I like a brake that doesnt fade, that is always the same wet or dry and doesnt wear out mid ride and root your disc, but the trade of is that they arent endo wheelie stoppers all the time
TB
November 24, 2008 at 12:01 am #112897micknmeld wrote:
Quote:Ha ha ha ha,you pair of clowns!! that was certainly worth the read!! Funniest stuff I have seen on here in a while.Thank you for your kind words of understanding oh Flipper of larger red vehicles made by the murderers of two stroke technology, & just to make you happier apparently according to TT a good fix for the yamahas lack of feel issues is to put the caliper off a CRF250 onto the yamaha mount.
TB & Slug I am leaning heavily into the pad material being the problem, and both of you two esteemed gentlemen concurring is enough for I, as not using my front brake often & with what could be a “racing” compound pad which is totally unsuitable for my habits.
I’ll try that firstThank you gentlemen as always a fount of support and information in a civilised yet jovial manner.
Mr Blue
November 24, 2008 at 12:12 am #112899Keep it up Mr Blue!! I near had tears coming, I laughed so hard. You are certainly giving the thesaurus a work out.
November 24, 2008 at 12:28 am #112900micknmeld wrote:
Quote:Keep it up Mr Blue!! I near had tears coming, I laughed so hard. You are certainly giving the thesaurus a work out.No worries Mick, you see I am lucky enough to have an extensive vocabulary and to be able to express myself in many various styles & part of my day to day activities are authoring large legal documents and policies so sometimes that style of prose dominates my meandering internet sojourns and bedazzles the specators of such.
In other words I do a lot of writing anyway so sum stuff gets mixed up eh?
Mr Blue
November 24, 2008 at 12:41 am #112902While we are on the subject of brakes and brake pads, are all the major brands using the same backing plate shape now?, which if so means we could ft almost any bikes pads into any bike would be great if it is true.
Bruce C
November 24, 2008 at 12:58 am #112901
Anonymousmicknmeld wrote:
Quote:certainly giving the thesaurus a work out.What is another word for thesaurus??
November 24, 2008 at 1:06 am #112903
AnonymousMr Blue wrote:
Quote:micknmeld wrote:Quote:Keep it up Mr Blue!! I near had tears coming, I laughed so hard. You are certainly giving the thesaurus a work out.No worries Mick, you see I am lucky enough to have an extensive vocabulary and to be able to express myself in many various styles & part of my day to day activities are authoring large legal documents and policies so sometimes that style of prose dominates my meandering internet sojourns and bedazzles the specators of such.
one sentence per paragraph. you really do know legalese
mick keeps finding our posts funny. is he on pain killers?
November 24, 2008 at 1:08 am #112904Mr Blue,
Your statement regarding RM125 drum brakes had me interested. I had never thought to try a stoppie on mine. So, inspired by your story I thought I would dust off the old RM and give it a try.
For effect, I also donned my Kenny Roberts Replica helmet and my Rossi boots and the safety gear of the era, please note: cut off overalls.
After several tentative practice runs, I managed to prove the stopping ability of RM125 brakes. Here is a pic to substantiate MR Blues claim that RM125 brakes were the ducks guts.
Sorry about the quality of the picture but I was going so fast the auto focus played up a bit.:dry:November 24, 2008 at 1:26 am #112907Ahh young Mick that is a mere RM125T is it not? and as such was equipped with exact same setup as the subsequent “X” & “D” models, which even though the pinnacle of suzukis offroad capability were still inferior in stopping power to yamahas mighty twin leading shoe drum set up. (except on the 425/465/490s nothing in a drum was gunna stop them once a full head of steam was reached.)
I still love my RMs’ even had Stu Bennetts old X model for a few seasons.
fond memories of speed and reliability, or corrupted files in my mind anyway.Nice pic Mick, really you?
Bluebloke
November 24, 2008 at 1:33 am #112908How very learned of you to know the exact model Mr Blue. That bike was a very abused child. It would run on chain saw fuel as well as petrol mixed with used sump oil.It ran forever on the same piston and rings and never saw proper maintainance , we had a lot of fun for very little cost on that bike.
Yes it is in fact me on said RM. Shortly I will post some other pics in the picture section..
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