Clamp down on UnRegoed bikes

[scott bockingMember]

Nickj wrote:

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I was involved in a 5 year court battle over crown roads and access tracks. My understanding after it was resolved is that crown roads as shown on topographic maps etc. Can be used by the public providing they are not contained within private land that has an enclosure permit and that no vegitation is removed to create these tracks . In the dept. Of lands words to me the crown road can be used but go round the trees not over them. National parks in our area approached me to show them where their own tracks were and are thankful that trail riders use them and can provide them information on their overgrown fire trails.
This is obviously a sensible approach by NP as I could tell them where in a fire situation it would be dangerous , even life threatening to their firefighters with their outdated info.
I hope they maintain the attitude that we are doing more good than harm using these trails.

Then I guess it is up to us to research those trails real good

STM

[Nick JacksonMember]

singletrackmind wrote:

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Nickj wrote:

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I was involved in a 5 year court battle over crown roads and access tracks. My understanding after it was resolved is that crown roads as shown on topographic maps etc. Can be used by the public providing they are not contained within private land that has an enclosure permit and that no vegitation is removed to create these tracks . In the dept. Of lands words to me the crown road can be used but go round the trees not over them. National parks in our area approached me to show them where their own tracks were and are thankful that trail riders use them and can provide them information on their overgrown fire trails.
This is obviously a sensible approach by NP as I could tell them where in a fire situation it would be dangerous , even life threatening to their firefighters with their outdated info.
I hope they maintain the attitude that we are doing more good than harm using these trails.

Then I guess it is up to us to research those trails real good

STM

that’s true Scott but as you know with some tracks the lantana covers acres and when they say not to disturb vegatation , believe it or not that includes lantana and noxious weeds too .!!!

[GregMember]

Scotty wrote:

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TB it’s not just about unrego bikes, but bikes doing what they consider the wrong thing. That would include riding the single tracks we like so much. These arn’t considered “legal trails” and as such whether your registered or not they want you out of the forest. Life will get boring real quick if we have to stick to the fire roads.

Yeah I am aware of that Scott I have been banging on about this for ages now. We only have ourselves to blame, people just keep re-riding the same tracks ride after ride after ride and the tracks are over ridden and we lose them. We need to be a lot smarter mix up our riding travel a bit sometimes, maybe don’t use our favorite single if its real wet. I am not having a go at anyone here I am just voicing an opinion and a view

white rocket wrote:

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think if it comes to there being no single track riding alowed and only alowed on fire trails we may as well sell our bikes and get harlys become a bikey gang.think most of us are over racing thats the only other option

That’s true Rocket and when we are in the public’s direct eye at the camp area they are at we need to show some responsibility roaring up and down a hill in their quiet area doesn’t help (I am not having a go just giving an example, I know I have to think about how I act somethings because I am not real smart at times :blush: )

singletrackmind wrote:

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Singletracks are illegal in National parks but are legal in State Forests.

STM

When we first got the web site going I did some research and spoke with some rangers (NP) and a state forest manger in Gosford and was told thats right Scott. But they have the right to close a track, I have seen this done at the Watagans and people just pulled the bunting down and rode around What hope as a group do we have :ohmy:
They put mesh down to prevent anymore soil erosion and guys will use it for traction to get up the hill they couldn’t before because it and been flogged to death again what bloody hope have we as a group
Or a track is cut up the same hill next to the unrideable one or it ends up as wide as a freeway and all unrideable
I was told by state forest in the Watagans for example they cant control people in the forest and will log it and rather then spend the money sell it to NP, they will replant it and close it end of story.
The answer to all this I dont have, I just try and ride as many areas as can I wont ride my favorite area, the area I grew up in and rode for 20 + years, I know it wont change anything but what do we do :huh:

(This rant was not directed at anyone here it is just a rant please dont feel I am having a go at anyone I like to think we are a bit smarter the most )

TB

[alanMember]

i think a lot of our land being taken of us is just deals between the state gov and the greens to get things through parliment and they live in sydney and don t give a f*ck about the people and economies in the small country towns .funny how they turn these areas into nature reserves so the locals have no acees but big busness ie mineing companys can come and reak havoc on the environment here money talks

[glennMember]

off road rego!!

have a bike rego system for riding in the “areas of concern” that way a percentage of the revenue raised can go towards regeneration and track maintenance. Yep a bit like the vics have,,cunnin people them vic,,6 fingers but cunnin people.

We are now being confronted with closed trails up here because the local council say bikes and 4x4s are trashing their tracks and it cost big dollars to have then continually fixed,,i have played in this area for a hell of a long time and the trails do not recieve alot of repairs,I for one would be willing to pay a off road levy to ride in these areas,if it meant we could keep using the trails.

we can not always blame unregoed bikes as I have watched responsible/regoed rides tear the living daylights out of a piece of trail just so they can say they got up there when there was a easy alternte route to the exact same spot.

Thats my 15cents worth,,dont really care if anyone agrees or disagrees its just my thoughts.

Boony

[alanMember]

hay boony vic os are not that bright think single track is banned in there state so think there of road rego is a wast of time.i think i pay enough tax anyway do not give the gov any excuse to introduce another one .look at the national parks here have to pay to go to there beach thats crap

[MarkMember]

funny how the focus is on bike riders wat about people with 4wd they do much worse to trails then i ever could with my bike

[GregMember]

No Boony I dont think thats a good idea for us here in NSW and on a whole Vic has less areas then us per acre per head and rec rego just lets them ride in their restricted areas, rec rego would just see more bikes over riding our areas as it will be cheaper to do it wont it, wont fix a thing.
Also track maintenance with single track is hard because you cant get in or out bar walking then its all hand labour and thats not going to happen.

TB

[GregMember]

whanny wrote:

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funny how the focus is on bike riders wat about people with 4wd they do much worse to trails then i ever could with my bike

The focus is about unregoed bikes because thats what the topic is whanny, see Clamp down on UnRegoed bikes :blush: :laugh:

TB

[MarkMember]

yeah sorry to get off topic. they can clamp down on me all they want hey cause my bikes are al rego’d and i dont ruin thier trails

[Bruce CurtisMember]

micknmeld wrote:

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¬Embargoed for publication and broadcast Wednesday 26 May 2010

Opening-New push to improve trail bike behaviour

Supporting statement-Land managers on the North Coast are launching a public education campaign aimed at reducing illegal motorbike use on public land.
They include the National Parks and Wildlife Service, Forests NSW, Department of Premier and Cabinet and NSW Police.

“Responsible motorbike riders are welcome on public lands,” said campaign spokesman David Wilson of Forests NSW.

“The aim is to educate motorbike riders about appropriate motorbike use on public lands and to improve community and motorbike rider safety.

Finally -5th on the list“People can only ride on public lands if they are licensed and their motorbike is registered and roadworthy, the same as any public road in the State.”Mr Wilson said unregistered motorbikes have no third party insurance, and if the rider is involved in an accident they could be responsible for significant liability costs

“They can also be charged by the land manager and police for illegal use of roads and being unregistered and unlicensed,” Mr Wilson said.

“Fundamentally the campaign aims to improve rider and public safety but it is also to reduce related damage to the environment and public assets stemming from unauthorised trail bike activity.

“Irresponsible motorbike riders impact on neighbours, other public land users and the environment.”

Mr Wilson said inconsiderate trail bike riders cause noise disturbance and environmental damage to tracks and trails, resulting in loss of habitat and soil erosion.

“Networks of ad hoc tracks created by motorbikes are expensive to repair and can lead to weeds and pests spreading more quickly,” Mr Wilson said.

“This campaign will provide a network for public agencies to exchange information on prevention strategies by integrating compliance operations on the North Coast.

“We urge trail bike riders to do the right thing and stick to riding registered bikes on legal trails.

“Riding on closed trails on public lands is a serious offence and will attract further fines for offenders.

“Many motorbike riders are doing the right thing.

“Unfortunately some don’t and the problem is that these riders can pose a significant risk to the public safety of other park users such as families and bush walkers.”

A new brochure and posters have been released as part of the campaign.

Actually TB, mate I’m going to correct you, for upon revision it appears neither the statement (press release) nor the original post was soley or even predominantly about rego. It is about ILLEGAL behaviour, of which one is lack of rego.
we’re all breaking the strict letter of the law in some way, it’s just how badly, Im with TB though, personally I rather not have my mirrors on or something trifling like that,

remember my written word post? I reckon classic example.

[scott bockingMember]

Two wheeled fossil burners near populated areas are on the endangerded speices list. Electric or hydrogen technology is the only hope if you want to ride within or near the radius of a capital city.

Dirt bikes as we know them will go the way of the horse. When was the last time you saw a horse being ridden down Bondi Rd for a quick run up and down Tamarama? 1942 I bet.

The destiny of our sport will be in dedicated ride zones or on the fringes of civilisation.

I am very glad that I live on the fringe.

STM

[glennMember]

singletrackmind wrote:

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Two wheeled fossil burners near populated areas are on the endangerded speices list. Electric or hydrogen technology is the only hope if you want to ride within or near the radius of a capital city.

Dirt bikes as we know them will go the way of the horse. When was the last time you saw a horse being ridden down Bondi Rd for a quick run up and down Tamarama? 1942 I bet.

The destiny of our sport will be in dedicated ride zones or on the fringes of civilisation.

I am very glad that I live on the fringe.

STM

you got a granny flat

[Scott SouthwellMember]

STM I think you’ll find if you wish to ride a horse up Bondi Rd or through Tamarrama there is no law stopping you.

I think even electric bikes are not our salvation, as I have stated down here we even have MTB’s being outlawed (good luck with them enforcing it). The argument is as much about soil erosion as noise and the like.

Personally I think the future for off road riding is going to be in private property style bike parks. By the time this happens I’ll probably be too old to ride but the future generations wont have it as free as we do now.

Like most I have a passionate dislike for unregistered bikes but they are only a small part of the problem. There are registered riders out there who think because they have rego and a licence they can ride and create trails anywhere they like, this includes National Parks and even other peoples private property. I come across such f#ckwits all the time when riding my MTB in some of the pristine National Parks near home.

We all get tared with the same brush, the non rider does not disciminate and most of the time wouldn’t know a registerd bike from an unregistered one.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Up here on the border the biggest issue we face is the queenslanders. Now not having a go at queenslanders in general, but because the minority of whackers has stuffed a heap of their SE QLD riding spots up they just hop down over the border. With the bypasses and upgraded Hwy Brisbane to one of the better riding spots is around 1&1/2 hours to 2 hrs, park just off the side of the hwy and go. Now I don’t know what it is with interstate visitors (we do it too, we’ve all witnessed it) but it’s like the state laws don’t apply, so some of these blokes just go feral, they ride likes it’s a sprint enduro event, firetrails on the wrong side, blocked off trails in N/parks get the blockades bypassed and torn up. Now talking with one of my remaining SFNSW feild officer mates, he knows exactly where these people are from, but concedes that they are ruining it for all of us, including the two blokes he works with who are keen riders as well. Our response, like TB we don’t ride there anymore even though i know it like the back of my hand, it’s just too dangerous, so we ride more remote and out of the way now. The forestry feild officers have even spoken to me down the street and asked me to yell at them if we spot anything untoward out there like illegal doof parties or illegal logging (it happens a fair bit round here)
I think the answer is in organising ourselves, I have been trying to convince (without being preachy and obnoxious) my non-rego mates to buy WRs, and the likes so they can go enduro racing with me or even just ride close to home on summer friday arvos, it must be slowly working cause there’s only a couple of diehards left, but to give them dues, they grew up were they ride and have been doing it since kids without problems, so it can be difficult to convince them. On illegal track cutting I never personally cut a track unless I know it was an old access road, which are easy to spot because of the regrowth and higher proportion of undergrowth as a rule of thumb. Again if it’s gazetted it is and will be until further notice.

Organising ourselves into a political voice is the key, unfortunately that means someone has to give afair portion of their lives for the greater good of the rest of us.

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