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singletrackmind wrote:If Nickj recycled his lid into a pot plant every time he took a digger he would have his own segment on Gardening Australia
He does tend to ride above his comfort zone :laugh:STM
I didn’t realise I had a comfort zone , I thought it was a hit and hope zone :silly:
Nick
Valid points on the topic Nick and Pete in regard to higher speeds and harder surfaces, I think you have convinced me
I do already have a Shoei xr 1100 lid which is half a dozen rides old that I bought when I first bought the bike not knowing about the Adv helmets :pinch:
I shall re commission it and get some use out of it till I can afford something more appropriate .
Cheers James
Replace it James you only get one chance, who wants to have an accident and end up a dozen driver or an electrician :laugh: :laugh: sorry guys :pinch:
Seriously but those that think there is a difference between your head hitting the ground on a adv bike or a trail bike I reckon you have hit your head to many times already :laugh:
One of our own here actually had a fall in the watagans last Sunday, low speed in the tighter going suffered a head impact and spend the night in hospital and today only just had full vision return but can’t remember Sunday.
All aspects of bike riding have the same chance of hitting different things different ways in all different circumstances at different speeds at different angles with one thing the same, you only get one head and one brain ( in most cases I should state ) it could be argued that’s why they all come under the same Australian standard. What’s the difference between a large rock and bitumen?
Replace it mate, I have just had that helmet painted and no matter how much I love it, one decent hit and I will replace it :pinch:IMO
TB
Trailboss wrote:Replace it James you only get one chance, who wants to have an accident and end up a dozen driver or an electrician :laugh: :laugh: sorry guys :pinch:Seriously but those that think there is a difference between your head hitting the ground on a adv bike or a trail bike I reckon you have hit your head to many times already :laugh:
One of our own here actually had a fall in the watagans last Sunday, low speed in the tighter going suffered a head impact and spend the night in hospital and today only just had full vision return but can’t remember Sunday.
All aspects of bike riding have the same chance of hitting different things different ways in all different circumstances at different speeds at different angles with one thing the same, you only get one head and one brain ( in most cases I should state ) it could be argued that’s why they all come under the same Australian standard. What’s the difference between a large rock and bitumen?
Replace it mate, I have just had that helmet painted and no matter how much I love it, one decent hit and I will replace it :pinch:IMO
TB
I was talking about the ‘ crashed helmet ‘ not the chance of hitting something hard , if your lid hits a rock hard on a trail ride I’d be replacing it but on an adv ride get off the chances your head will hit hard pack is higher due to speed and where you ride. How many times do you have a get off on a trail ride and your head barely touchs the ground ?? ( unless your Dejay and try to burrow a deep as you can
)Nick
Replace it mate, is it really worth it for a few hundred bucks?
If it was your kids helmet you wouldn’t have even asked, so why is it any different?
Get the crashed one painted and put it in the cave
Ace wrote:Trailboss wrote:Replace it James
What’s the difference between a large rock and bitumen?TB
I understand your point of view but what if it was a scuff(slide) in sand. Good helmets cost a bomb and I would definitely be looking all the aspects of the incident before I cut the chin strap.
Big accident and large impact on hard pack – bye bye helmet
Small impact on soft terrain – probably keep helmet
etc etc.
just my opinion. Maybe one I will regret some day??
Scuff on sand no damage to the structure yeah keep it
I was once told if you get a concussion from an accident the helmet should be replaced because it has done its job
Nickj wrote:Trailboss wrote:Replace it James you only get one chance, who wants to have an accident and end up a dozen driver or an electrician :laugh: :laugh: sorry guys :pinch:Seriously but those that think there is a difference between your head hitting the ground on a adv bike or a trail bike I reckon you have hit your head to many times already :laugh:
One of our own here actually had a fall in the watagans last Sunday, low speed in the tighter going suffered a head impact and spend the night in hospital and today only just had full vision return but can’t remember Sunday.
All aspects of bike riding have the same chance of hitting different things different ways in all different circumstances at different speeds at different angles with one thing the same, you only get one head and one brain ( in most cases I should state ) it could be argued that’s why they all come under the same Australian standard. What’s the difference between a large rock and bitumen?
Replace it mate, I have just had that helmet painted and no matter how much I love it, one decent hit and I will replace it :pinch:IMO
TB
I was talking about the ‘ crashed helmet ‘ not the chance of hitting something hard , if your lid hits a rock hard on a trail ride I’d be replacing it but on an adv ride get off the chances your head will hit hard pack is higher due to speed and where you ride. How many times do you have a get off on a trail ride and your head barely touchs the ground ?? ( unless your Dejay and try to burrow a deep as you can
)Nick
To answer your question “How many times do you have a get off on a trail ride and your head barely touches the ground ??” Lots, and the last two crashes I have had that come to mind on my adv bike both involved speed and neither time my helmet hit the ground but I ended up in hospital on one occasion so it was a decent crash :huh: (thanks again Lotsa for getting the bike of me)
I think we are saying the same thing honestly. Its just the internet :laugh: :laugh:
I am talking about ‘crashed helmets’ as well. I dont understand how can you say the chances are more on certain riding when terrain and speed varies so much everywhere we all go. It wont be the speed that determines the damage it will be the sudden stop :laugh: What about the OBT rider (they havent spoken up so I wont name them) head knock and the night in hospital last sunday, 2nd gear?I think we are saying the same thing honestly. If its had an impact and is a solid impact replace it or at least investigate it. Cracked or damaged replace and maybe as I wrote above in Ace’s response “I was once told if you get a concussion from an accident the helmet should be replaced because the lining has done its job”
like I said IMO
TB
I think we all agree then that a solid hit = replace
Go the Shoei or Arai adv lids James they are awesome but when you next bin it don’t hit your head too hard they cost too much to keep replacing
Nick
james wrote:I think everyone seems to be of the same opinion deep down,and that is to ditch a damaged helmet , I mean how can you really tell from what may appear to be only superficial markings.Like Ace has said it just appears to be a little scuffed but I will retire it, it has served me well and is getting a little long in the tooth anyway and will make do with the roady.
On this subject of safety gear though, it does seem to me to that if prices were at a more affordable level more of us would gladly purchase it and replace it when damaged equating to more units sold and safer riding for everyone,shame costs have to be a consideration over safety
Nato I do have photos of it but cant for the life of me work out my photobucket,does just look a little scuffed though
James
I had an off at about 100KLM on Watagan forrest road a few years back. Knocked myself out for about an hour and still cannot remember one bit of that whole Sunday except for the surreal experience of waking up at about 5pm, mate tells me I never slept and even road the bike back to his house. Thats the only helmet I have ever retired because of a crash, maybe had another couple of rides before I got around to it though
If your riding with people who are quite a bit better than you, my experience is that you are more likely to come off until your riding improves. If your riding at your limit often maybe buy an Rjays or Zues helmet, there are plenty of lower priced alternatives out there James. They dont have quite the fit and finish but my Rjays Dakar from memory was only 200. I ride with ear plugs anyway so a little bit of wind noise on the cheaper lid was not an issue. Sucker for a bargain and more pennies for toys in the shed
MrSquiggle wrote:james wrote:I think everyone seems to be of the same opinion deep down,and that is to ditch a damaged helmet , I mean how can you really tell from what may appear to be only superficial markings.Like Ace has said it just appears to be a little scuffed but I will retire it, it has served me well and is getting a little long in the tooth anyway and will make do with the roady.
On this subject of safety gear though, it does seem to me to that if prices were at a more affordable level more of us would gladly purchase it and replace it when damaged equating to more units sold and safer riding for everyone,shame costs have to be a consideration over safety
Nato I do have photos of it but cant for the life of me work out my photobucket,does just look a little scuffed though
James
I had an off at about 100KLM on Watagan forrest road a few years back. Knocked myself out for about an hour and still cannot remember one bit of that whole Sunday except for the surreal experience of waking up at about 5pm, mate tells me I never slept and even road the bike back to his house. Thats the only helmet I have ever retired because of a crash, maybe had another couple of rides before I got around to it though
If your riding with people who are quite a bit better than you, my experience is that you are more likely to come off until your riding improves. If your riding at your limit often maybe buy an Rjays or Zues helmet, there are plenty of lower priced alternatives out there James. They dont have quite the fit and finish but my Rjays Dakar from memory was only 200. I ride with ear plugs anyway so a little bit of wind noise on the cheaper lid was not an issue. Sucker for a bargain and more pennies for toys in the shed
Wow , I have found someone else that actually admits to riding on their limit , I didn’t realize I was but was told I was after a few offs , one thing I didn’t do though was go and buy a cheaper lid that I could afford to sacrifice should I land hard on the noggin , I hope I’ve read into what your saying the wrong way Mr. Squiggle because surely we should be buying better lids if we expect to crash and not going for the cheaper disposable option to save a $$$ ??
I have an Arai head in the adv range and reckon they would save me as good as any Shoei or similar quality brand however the RJays I bought first was ok on the day I bought it but inferior quality foam ( or something ) soon made it sloppy and uncomfortable enough to stop wearing it !!
Nick
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