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February 7, 2009 at 3:36 am #121310
Ktmrat wrote:
Quote:Trailboss wrote:Quote:Ha ha funny rocket, wasn’t 15mins was it? The side cold air intake on my bike has been the most unbelievable change to my filters I have ever seen, before that half day would see it struggle to rev in some long dusty races (not hard ones ask Dave) but dusty ones.TB
Now Now dont encourage me TB
Bring it on Dave, tell me of your racing experiences, the 4 days, the Condo 750’s the 450km yellow mountain races, come on share Dave.
February 7, 2009 at 10:46 am #121188Husky610 wrote:
Quote:Ecks, when you say there was a huge difference, did the pool filter do anything for the Filter? or was it a total waste of time? Curious, I’m trialing a CHUX on mine but its been wet this way so very little dust..I’d hate to think I’ve been spruiling thse tings only to find it to be a waste of time and money??Definately not a total waste of time, but the actual filter underneath was quite dirty. In comparison, Holeshot’s filter underneath looked almost unused. I’d say if you were in really dusty conditions it would extend the filter’s usable time by a couple of hours if you rode till the skin was dirty and pulled it off and kept riding. After that though, the filter would need cleaning or replacing.
Which reminds me of TB spruiking the Readyfilters. I’m not a huge fan. The filter itself, although labelled for a WR250F 07 looked bugger-all like the genuine one. Chris refused to use the one he had. I managed to get it to fit and was happy to ride with it, but wouldn’t get one ever again. Not that cheap either at nearly $17 from the Orange Supercheap Auto.
As for TB’s argument about a filter – ie clean it and let it dry then bang it on a desk and watch the dust fly out? Who rides with a dry filter anyway? That’s why we use filter oil! Besides, after I wash out my filter it doesn’t have any dust, I tried after TB mentioned his little test.
So, in conclusion, filter skins from a bike shop are good, pool filter skins are better than no filter skin and ready filters are crap.
February 7, 2009 at 10:55 am #121355OK ECKS, I agree better than nothing was just sharing
TB
February 7, 2009 at 11:02 am #121357Just one thing ECKS, the GHR team use ready oiled filters and their engine builder told Chicken and myself they now get over 100hrs out of standard CRF450 valves now since they stopped washing their filters and used pre oiled. Thats the dust thing after washing and drying, and your right no one uses then dry, did I say that :huh:
Anyway I am not so sure regarding the ready ones like you say the WR one did like a bit funny :cheer:
February 7, 2009 at 11:06 am #121358still a piss poor effert on vavles honda should go back to the drawing boards i think and start making two strokes again
February 7, 2009 at 11:06 am #121359Are these filters that the team use the one shot race ones TB
February 7, 2009 at 11:08 am #121361One race and bin Dave
February 7, 2009 at 11:11 am #121363Yes I wish our race budget allowed for such luxury I am sure it would prolong engines hours overall generally,,,,, Ho Hum.Back to washing my filters
February 8, 2009 at 2:12 am #121364The pool filters certainly caught some dust on the WR they were filthy the filter underneath was still relatively clean to the eye, but was probably full of dust, I am going to wash mine now as it will probably dry in about 30secs, I am going to buy another quality filter like a twin air and use this as primary and keep the stock one as a spare. I will continue using the skins but also always make sure I start with a clean filter.
Cheers
Chris.February 8, 2009 at 9:27 am #121360Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Just one thing ECKS, the GHR team use ready oiled filters and their engine builder told Chicken and myself they now get over 100hrs out of standard CRF450 valves now since they stopped washing their filters and used pre oiled. Thats the dust thing after washing and drying, and your right no one uses then dry, did I say that :huh:Anyway I am not so sure regarding the ready ones like you say the WR one did like a bit funny :cheer:
Sorry TB, not saying that the GHR team are wrong – anyone who can make a (modern) Honda last 100 hours on valves is doing something right. I’m sure the one-use filters they use are better than the one I had is all I have to say about that!
Of course nobody uses a filter dry, you didn’t say that at all! You just mentioned that if we clean an air filter and let it dry then give it a bash you can see dust fly out of it. I tried it after you mentioned that and didn’t see any. I reckon if you clean an air filter properly then there is no dust in it and once it is oiled it should perform as well as a one-use filter.:dry:
These race teams obviously have budgets that eclipse mine so one-use filters are a better option for them than cleaning reusable filters.:woohoo:
February 8, 2009 at 9:37 am #121460How true ECKS on every point, they are ready filters that they use, the ones in the factory bikes get oil added, the customer bikes go straight in no skins, so buggers me!
TB
February 8, 2009 at 9:41 am #121121Am I damaging my filter by blowing it with Comp.Air after it dries, before i re- oil it? generally, i clean my filter after each ride, some I know tell me i’m wasting $’s as the filter can do many K’s between each clean…But they dont own MY Husky
I do. But now I’m worried I may be killing it with Kindness?? :blink:
February 8, 2009 at 11:14 am #121468Husky610 wrote:
Quote:Am I damaging my filter by blowing it with Comp.Air after it dries, before i re- oil it? generally, i clean my filter after each ride, some I know tell me i’m wasting $’s as the filter can do many K’s between each clean…But they dont own MY HuskyI do. But now I’m worried I may be killing it with Kindness?? :blink:
Mate there is no such thing as killing a bike with kindness when it comes to filtration, I would be gentle with the compressed air, I put my wet filter between the pages of a newspaper and then stand on it, this squashes it and forces the water out, which the paper absorbs, the biggest thin is to make sure the filter glued joins are still good and then making sure it is oiled evenly and lastly making sure it is seated correctly, do this every ride and you are not killing it with kindness, you are making it easy for the baby to breath right therefore burn right, which brings big smiles:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
February 8, 2009 at 11:12 pm #121461
AnonymousECKS-Man wrote:
Quote:Sorry TB, not saying that the GHR team are wrong – anyone who can make a (modern) Honda last 100 hours on valves is doing something right. I’m sure the one-use filters they use are better than the one I had is all I have to say about that!Of course nobody uses a filter dry, you didn’t say that at all! You just mentioned that if we clean an air filter and let it dry then give it a bash you can see dust fly out of it. I tried it after you mentioned that and didn’t see any. I reckon if you clean an air filter properly then there is no dust in it and once it is oiled it should perform as well as a one-use filter.:dry:
These race teams obviously have budgets that eclipse mine so one-use filters are a better option for them than cleaning reusable filters.:woohoo:
I agree with ECKS. Also 100 hours out of a set of valves is terrible. If you clean your filter properly and it is in good conidtion then there is no reason you should have to worry about anything else. Adding a filter skin (whatever type) will just prolong the use of the filter. The extra tie you get before cleans is dependant on how good the skin is.
February 9, 2009 at 6:16 am #121542Moto wrote:
Quote:ECKS-Man wrote:Quote:Sorry TB, not saying that the GHR team are wrong – anyone who can make a (modern) Honda last 100 hours on valves is doing something right. I’m sure the one-use filters they use are better than the one I had is all I have to say about that!Of course nobody uses a filter dry, you didn’t say that at all! You just mentioned that if we clean an air filter and let it dry then give it a bash you can see dust fly out of it. I tried it after you mentioned that and didn’t see any. I reckon if you clean an air filter properly then there is no dust in it and once it is oiled it should perform as well as a one-use filter.:dry:
These race teams obviously have budgets that eclipse mine so one-use filters are a better option for them than cleaning reusable filters.:woohoo:
I agree with ECKS. Also 100 hours out of a set of valves is terrible. If you clean your filter properly and it is in good conidtion then there is no reason you should have to worry about anything else. Adding a filter skin (whatever type) will just prolong the use of the filter. The extra tie you get before cleans is dependant on how good the skin is.
Hey steady on you guns and think for just a minute, thats 100hrs racing, on the limit, think about it boys 100hrs racing thats pretty impressive, check the videos of the GHR team racing, its not us riding around the forest stroking ourselves thinking we are going good. :ohmy:
How many hrs trail riding by equal to 100+ hrs racing guys. :dry: If you think its not dust related by the way they used to race the CRF250’s that Grabham won the Aussie Supermotard title over however many rounds and never had to adjust the valves and its because there is not dust! They bang them on the rev limiter all day yet no valve issues. Well thats what their engine builder said, but hey guys what would he know he only does it for a living!TB
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