History Lesson in 4T

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Fact- old mr SHonda had a philosphy of fourstroke, it was his personal and business model preference, go back to the early 80s, oval piston GPs bikes, twin rods, monstrosities, but still he persisited. Then in the late nineties yamaha used road and F1 technology to build the YZ400F rev monster, the FIM was lobbied by primarily Honda threatening to pull out of all sanctioned events, the old foggies at FIM and AMA took a dive and aquiesed to the pressure and the rule were dictated by Honda mainly so power and capacity advantages were blatantly in favour of the 4T.

a little push marketing and violia the market follows.

now go and adjust your valves and change the oil and filter lads.

BTW 4Ts should make noises like THUMP THUMP THUMP Not Whizz Scream Wirr crunch.

and they are both fun.

Wont disagree regarding Hondas four stroke development in the early 80’s exciting developments

But as far as one bike producer changing the world :laugh: :laugh:

The truth is the Easter Bunny was riding in area 51 with Elvis and Lee Harvey Oswald and kept getting spoogh on his fur when he walked behind the back of the bike. He threatened to stop delivering eggs thus ending Easter if four stokes didnt become competitive again. When Santa Claus and the tooth fairy backed his threat of industrial action the powers to be asked that two strokes and their development have a hex put on them by the wicked witch of the west! To further support four strokes the penguins from the Madagascar movie flew planes that dropped mind gas on us when flying over while those inside had messages forced thu subliminal message on the tv to change our purchasing

That’s the truth

TB

[Bruce CurtisMember]

http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/09/four-stroke-revolution-or-clever-marketing-ploy/

Well that’s how I remember it, and l reckon their best trick was pretending nothing untoward happened, thus pulling the wool over the masses eyes

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/09/four-stroke-revolution-or-clever-marketing-ploy/

Well that’s how I remember it, and l reckon their best trick was pretending nothing untoward happened, thus pulling the wool over the masses eyes

Oh shit sorry I didnt know it was on the internet :ohmy: it must be true then. I will now withdraw from this debate and go and read wikipedia cause that’s on the net and true as well :laugh: :laugh:

On another note how are you Bruce? Have you been roading more than dirting lately mate? Was only thinking about you last week when I was following an immaculate WR250 smoker on a trailer up the M7, this thing was like it had just rolled out of the show room. I remember thinking Gees Bruce would have stuck my glove box closed had he been here :laugh: :laugh:

TB

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Been tops Big fella, yeah been on the road more than dirt, and concentrating on getting my old railways cottage reno’d.
Biut neva fear there is a real life project with the YZ and a alloy WrF and an engineer, hopefully I can build a new YZwr….

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Been tops Big fella, yeah been on the road more than dirt, and concentrating on getting my old railways cottage reno’d.
Biut neva fear there is a real life project with the YZ and a alloy WrF and an engineer, hopefully I can build a new YZwr….

Sounds like an awesome idea and project can’t wait to see it.  Where is the railway cottage? I will call in one day soon I promise, I flew last time and I hate flying! I love Lismore and the surrounding area. Kids still riding?

Listen mate I just read the link you posted. Honestly Bruce old cheese that’s the most biased bullshit I have ever read. It comes from a dedicated two stroke web site for gods sake! I would say a one eyed two stroke lover to boot! I won’t argue regarding costs of rebuilds etc but for christs sake I can’t take that article seriously, there is more conspiracy in that than the death of JFK, Elvis, Area 51 and man visiting the moon all rolled into one! 
If I pasted the same argument ( reversed of course) from a four stoke site towards two stokes you would be rolling on the ground like I am at the moment, seriously take the two stroke glasses of and read it open mined style. Remember I haven’t bought into the whole four stroke is better the two stroke etc or the other way around debate here at all, nor will I. Each is to there own, I won’t buy into what they cost or where they should race, but that piece of literature (loose term) is a joke in my humble opinion.

TB

[AlexMember]

Trailboss wrote:

The truth is the Easter Bunny was riding in area 51 with Elvis and Lee Harvey Oswald and kept getting spoogh on his fur when he walked behind the back of the bike. He threatened to stop delivering eggs thus ending Easter if four stokes didnt become competitive again. When Santa Claus and the tooth fairy backed his threat of industrial action the powers to be asked that two strokes and their development have a hex put on them by the wicked witch of the west! To further support four strokes the penguins from the Madagascar movie flew planes that dropped mind gas on us when flying over while those inside had messages forced thu subliminal message on the tv to change our purchasing

That’s the truth
TB

No shit! I had no idea! Where does the tooth fairy get the time? What with all the kids teeth and all that small change ….. :blink:

[GregMember]

axel wrote:

Trailboss wrote:

The truth is the Easter Bunny was riding in area 51 with Elvis and Lee Harvey Oswald and kept getting spoogh on his fur when he walked behind the back of the bike. He threatened to stop delivering eggs thus ending Easter if four stokes didnt become competitive again. When Santa Claus and the tooth fairy backed his threat of industrial action the powers to be asked that two strokes and their development have a hex put on them by the wicked witch of the west! To further support four strokes the penguins from the Madagascar movie flew planes that dropped mind gas on us when flying over while those inside had messages forced thu subliminal message on the tv to change our purchasing

That’s the truth
TB

No shit! I had no idea! Where does the tooth fairy get the time? What with all the kids teeth and all that small change ….. :blink:

All the small change is used to do top end rebuilds and shim the valves :laugh: doesn’t have time because she is doing oil and filters all the time

TB

[dennis da menaceMember]

Trailboss wrote:

Listen mate I just read the link you posted. Honestly Bruce old cheese that’s the most biased bullshit I have ever read. It comes from a dedicated two stroke web site for gods sake! I would say a one eyed two stroke lover to boot! I won’t argue regarding costs of rebuilds etc but for christs sake I can’t take that article seriously, there is more conspiracy in that than the death of JFK, Elvis, Area 51 and man visiting the moon all rolled into one! 
If I pasted the same argument ( reversed of course) from a four stoke site towards two stokes you would be rolling on the ground like I am at the moment, seriously take the two stroke glasses of and read it open mined style. Remember I haven’t bought into the whole four stroke is better the two stroke etc or the other way around debate here at all, nor will I. Each is to there own, I won’t buy into what they cost or where they should race, but that piece of literature (loose term) is a joke in my humble opinion.

TB

that is funny TB but i think it is time for your medication :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[GregMember]

menace wrote:

that is funny TB but i think it is time for your medication :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Your right it is :laugh: :whistle: out of interest did you read that crap?

TB

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I know it’s good for a giggle, but he has some good points, and Soichiro Honda did on many occassions state he wanted to stop 2T production and concentrate on 4Ts only, and what happened anyway I digress, it was a diversionary tactic on my behalf, have to give you old 4T eccentrics a break now and then you know, besides us 2T fellas don’t need to worry look at some of the recent addtions to the markets, some sweet sweet bikes in there.

One kid is riding still, other has more important things to do, like her hair and getting out of school etc.

next time you’re through yell I will give you directions.

Hey Dennis, how’d ya go with that filthy old 2T you are restoring, those last photos I saw made it look at least showroom condition, with some good polishing at that?

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