Just some of what we are up against

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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TB you miss the point most of the claims moneys are from road rash riders, it would be very interesting to get hold of the data for claims upheld for bush riding alone, I believe it would be miniscule in comparison, ergo on a pro-rata the “greenslip” for rec rego would be along those lines , now remember there is another fund for uninsured MVA personal injury altogether which comes out of our medicare levy.
It’s easy for the insurance company TB, believe me I am on the working group of a large mutual fund and this sort of thing is not about the amount, data and analysis of trends is what the insurance industry is all about, and sometimes “colusion’ under the mantle of data acquisition but weather it will harm another section of the income stream, that’s the hard part to gauge, in toehr words they can do it, do they want to do it???

Good luck with it them wont let go of a steady income stream

[Bruce CurtisMember]

That’s the hard part to estimate, now we both know our stances on Rec rego putting that aside, what percentage of full greenslip would they stand to lose against a new market that is yet untapped?

The Vicco data may shed some light, but it is diffeicult to estimate as so many other factors will influence, like the parameters of what bikes and what they need to gain the Rec Rego in the first place, the governements advertising, etc etc

[Mick DMember]

I dont think rec rego will ever happen in NSW, I think you will find that Victoria would love to get rid of it, due to all the injury claims that are now flooding in with the explosion of the China bike population. MNSW would be better off, lobbying to have ADR compliant trail bikes,looked at in a different price structure to the Hyper sport road bikes etc when it comes to Green slips.
Bring a 450cc bike in at less than say $200 for full rego and I would say you might just sway the unregoed crew that haunt the bush.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

micknmeld wrote:

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I dont think rec rego will ever happen in NSW, I think you will find that Victoria would love to get rid of it, due to all the injury claims that are now flooding in with the explosion of the China bike population. MNSW would be better off, lobbying to have ADR compliant trail bikes,looked at in a different price structure to the Hyper sport road bikes etc when it comes to Green slips.
Bring a 450cc bike in at less than say $200 for full rego and I would say you might just sway the unregoed crew that haunt the bush.

Top stuff mick, much same thing in nicer slightly different wrapping

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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That’s the hard part to estimate, now we both know our stances on Rec rego putting that aside, what percentage of full greenslip would they stand to lose against a new market that is yet untapped?

The Vicco data may shed some light, but it is diffeicult to estimate as so many other factors will influence, like the parameters of what bikes and what they need to gain the Rec Rego in the first place, the governements advertising, etc etc

I am not even taking my feelings of Rec rego into it mate. VIC have a different rego / health cover system to NSW so there will be green slips no matter what I think we agree on that.

There has never been to my knowledge consideration taken in the pricing of a green slip to how much a person rides/drives etc in the past. They aren’t even interested as to where you drive / ride, they are interested in what, where its parked and your record. I know that motoring groups have tried to have it changed before so Joe average A who drives 10k a year is paying less then Joe average B who drives 100k a year. The argument was then the Joe average B although driving more (higher risk because he is on the road more) is a lesser risk because by the miles he does is a better driver. Then there was the argument that it should be klm based from the previous year but mileages can and will be doctored.

This thread started about people losing their riding areas due to noise. You mentioned Rec Rego and again I will stick my hand up and say I am against it as the sport has enough problems now we haven’t dealt with without opening the forests up to extra bikes. How does introducing a rego scheme where people who don’t want to jump through the hoops can register their bike and ride in a state forest where they haven’t been able to before help our current situation? Are MX bikes etc quieter then our bikes now, well I reckon no and Yes. If someone has the need or the want to ride a MXer in the bush then they should be able to obtain a special rego, again conforming to the requirements to do that, but pay their way whatever that is.
If you have rec rego Bruce are you going to trailer your bike the 3 kms to get into the bush? I think not

I am not fighting you (although it does sound like that) I am trying to be realistic is all mate

Yeah Mick thats an idea

TB

[Mick DMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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micknmeld wrote:

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I dont think rec rego will ever happen in NSW, I think you will find that Victoria would love to get rid of it, due to all the injury claims that are now flooding in with the explosion of the China bike population. MNSW would be better off, lobbying to have ADR compliant trail bikes,looked at in a different price structure to the Hyper sport road bikes etc when it comes to Green slips.
Bring a 450cc bike in at less than say $200 for full rego and I would say you might just sway the unregoed crew that haunt the bush.

Top stuff mick, much same thing in nicer slightly different wrapping

I’ve been talking to someone with their foot in the door at MNSW this morning.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Tb in my emotions I feel similar, in fact some days i want to say
” all newcomers piss off and stop causing all these issues” but who are we to say this, everyone has just as much right as you or I, but take emotion away and go with positive logic and I am were I am on the subject.

I actually would trailer my bike three kays, I need tools and spare fuel.

Mick they don’t call you the Mayor of Wauchope for nothing.

[Craig HattonMember]

white rocket wrote:

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if you ride an unregersted bike or regersted bike does that make you a better person Maybe not in character but Yes, at least you’re not breaking that law. It means that you are concious of your actions and that you are making an effort for the betterment of the sport
or ride on better tracks or should we mark our single track that still won t make it legal just let more people no where it is.don t ride a road bike so avoid those.if you still have to get a green slip for rec rego it will be a wast of time rego is the cheap part

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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Tb in my emotions I feel similar, in fact some days i want to say
” all newcomers piss off and stop causing all these issues” but who are we to say this, everyone has just as much right as you or I, but take emotion away and go with positive logic and I am were I am on the subject.

I actually would trailer my bike three kays, I need tools and spare fuel.

Mick they don’t call you the Mayor of Wauchope for nothing.

I never want anyone to piss off from our great sport Bruce I just want a level playing field. I created this web site after listening to people say I have no one to ride with I have no idea where to ride read the about us in the top tab. I am all for what helps this sport and put hours into helping newbies enter our sport. It costs my 348 bucks to rego my XR for a year, 247 of that is the green slip. I can live with that, wouldnt want to increase to much but nothing is for nothing in this world
I to would trailer to the start and have a fully rego’ed bike and still trailer it to all the rides on do on the XR. I also enjoy that 2km cool down section up the road to the pub at lunch or along the beach on STM’s up and coming ride.

I would rather we channelled our energy into opening new ride areas, rehabilitating our existing areas and education for riders, politicians, forestry and NWPS.

TB

[Mick DMember]

Trailboss wrote:

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I would rather we channelled our energy into opening new ride areas, rehabilitating our existing areas and education for riders, politicians, forestry and NWPS.

TB

Hear hear. Well said TB.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

The problem for me is as the man said

NOT ALL BIKERIDERS ARE DICKHEADS, BUT EVERY DICKHEAD HAS A BIKE

we have more than our share of them on bikes, the image is what they crave, so we get tarnished with their crap.

this is why somedays I feel like saying that, however then I meet a decent enthausiast who has just discovered the passion and i change my mind.

Nah came to a different conclusion on Rec Type Rego, however we must agree undue NOISE is the single issue that gets everyone upset.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

micknmeld wrote:

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Trailboss wrote:

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I would rather we channelled our energy into opening new ride areas, rehabilitating our existing areas and education for riders, politicians, forestry and NWPS.

TB

Hear hear. Well said TB.

And that my friends is part of what we are trying to get the foundations laid for in this area with the new movement.

Rec Rego is not a cornerstone of our plans, but it may assist

[Scott SouthwellMember]

Rec rego could also have ramifications for those that like fully registered off road bikes. If we remember years back it was hard to get fully registered enduro bikes. We had very expensive euro bikes but all the Japs would give us bikes like XR’s, DR’s and TT’s. WR’s, RMX’s were not ADR compliant. If non ADR bikes can be legally ridden in the bush we might find manufacturers deciding to save a few bucks and not put there bikes through the expensive ADR process. Suzuki have already released the RMX450 in non ADR form. Why should they ADR it if I can buy it and still legally ride it in the bush.

[alanMember]

good point scotty i like to ride my bike around town if i can not register it proply its no good to me,those rmx bikes are not bad to ride but useless with no rego.bet if it came out the green slip would be the same price anyway because they can like any big monopoly $ :S

[mikeMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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The problem for me is as the man said

NOT ALL BIKERIDERS ARE DICKHEADS, BUT EVERY DICKHEAD HAS A BIKE

we have more than our share of them on bikes, the image is what they crave, so we get tarnished with their crap.

Lets not forget that dirtbike riding is a very appealing sport and that some people may not have the means or the funds to be rego-ed and licenced but they get hold of a cheap Chinese shitter and away they go. Sometimes it’s easy to be judgemental but really who are we to judge anyway, afterall they probably have a bit of passion for bikes but just can’t get there shit together like us rego-ed blokes/ladies, but who says there heart ain’t in it. I’ve allways had bikes but when I was a kid the old man was quite happy to buy me bikes but takin me riding somewhere legal just did’nt happen. We did’nt even have a trailer. Once and I mean once he put me first minibike he got me into the boot of the monaro and took me to my uncles property for a ride, other than that I had to sort out me own way of riding and getting to a local track to ride. When I say local these were small parcels of land within suburbia. Ya had to push em or ride em there and being a kid I took the easy option. When I became of age I got the rego and licence all sorted. I fell in love with bikes when I was a kid so I can see how other people can also have that passion without the proper resources to be fully rego-ed and licenced but they hit the bush and give it a go. Afterall giving it a go is the aussie way. I’m not condoning it and I know that it was alot different than than now with bike sales growin huge in the last decade and heaps more people gettin into it, but it does’nt mean youngmate with his arse hangin out of pants and not much dough ridin around on some shit box unregeo-ed heapa loves it any less than we do. It may be wrong of me but I still get a bit of a buzz seein a youngen fangin around the neibourhood havin a ball. There is a lot more serious shit goin on and I know I only havta go to the pub to see it. This is only my opinion so no offence intended.

I don’t think rec rego is the go. I reckon it all lies in good communication and education with the right/smart people administering it. Maybe more ride parks for the unrego-ed crew that’s close to the main towns/cities. Lets hope it’s a positive work in progress.

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