Kierans Kato’s 2nd failure in less then 12 months

[Bruce CurtisMember]

CR85 TB, one of our mates oldest has one, goes like a shot cat, and can’t be killed, nice suspension too.

[Anonymous]

Trailboss wrote:

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Moto wrote:

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It sucks it’s failed, but from the sounds of it it was inevitable anyway. Good work on doing the work on it Dave

Work those magic fingers

Inevitable says the KTM owner :huh: , I am shaking my head, Lochie’s 85 also failed and its not from lack of care or maintance

TB

I was just pointing out that if you modify something beyond it’s original design then the life of the parts you should expect to be less given the increased stress they are put through. I wouldn’t modify anything without expectiting consequences.

I ran a higher pressure on the twin turbo’s on my Supra, the car absolutely ripped ass…..for about 8 months then it was new turbo time, lucky I didn’t take the head out too.

It does seem that the little Kato’s are a handful in terms of maintainence and upkepp in general though.

[GregMember]

Dave jetted it and changed the pipe, that should cause it much grief should it

TB

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Ktmrat wrote:

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Mr Blue wrote:

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Wow that’s out of character for those motors TB, Friday arvo special?

Not really Blue, I have hyped it somewhat and when you extract extra ponies you really should start with a fresh bottom, this was not done at the time for whatever reasons and the thing has been flying up till now, if we expected the RPM out of other machines that these do they would wear out at the same rate, Horses for courses I say, the bottom end of these babies are a piece of piss anyway, it will be a fresh baby for who ever gets it off TB and I will also be de-tuning the thing back to standard so the next person gets mild power to start with

I don’t know what was done but Dave’s post read differently. These little bikes are already pretty stressed out to start with.

[GregMember]

Moto wrote:

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Ktmrat wrote:

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Mr Blue wrote:

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Wow that’s out of character for those motors TB, Friday arvo special?

Not really Blue, I have hyped it somewhat and when you extract extra ponies you really should start with a fresh bottom, this was not done at the time for whatever reasons and the thing has been flying up till now, if we expected the RPM out of other machines that these do they would wear out at the same rate, Horses for courses I say, the bottom end of these babies are a piece of piss anyway, it will be a fresh baby for who ever gets it off TB and I will also be de-tuning the thing back to standard so the next person gets mild power to start with

I don’t know what was done but Dave’s post read differently. These little bikes are already pretty stressed out to start with.

It was jetted and piped Moto I tells you ok :laugh: and set up to run right. The set up when I got it from Mick was well, what ever the factory did because he and the kids bikes are almost on your maintenance plan

Doesn’t detract from the fact that I hate it

TB

[DavidMember]

TB how many hours were on the bike when you got it, and how many did you do?

[GregMember]

Ktmrat wrote:

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TB how many hours were on the bike when you got it, and how many did you do?

Kieran has dome perhaps 5 hrs since we got it, doesnt matter dont care just fix it mate

TB

[Mick DMember]

Trailboss wrote:

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The set up when I got it from Mick was well, what ever the factory did because he and the kids bikes are almost on your maintenance plan

TB

BULLSHIT!!! :dry:

[GregMember]

I have been in your shed and heard your statements about the kids bikes, would you like to test my memory its pretty good eh
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I said almost like Moto maintenance plan, what about if I say not quite as comprehensive as mine then ??

Stop hi jacking my thread like you told Squirrel :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TB

[DavidMember]

Hey Mick have you any idea how many hours were on it when TB got it from you ?

[Bruce CurtisMember]

We’re talking about an MA50 here aren’t we?

Same bottom end as the Pro-senior with half the HP? ergo understressed?

I’m with Dave how many hours? as the one we had did two years almost everyweekend for 2-4 hrs, sold it and it was as tight as a drum, whereas the Pro-seniors…….. well we don’t talk about them anymore.

[Mick DMember]

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Hey Mick have you any idea how many hours were on it when TB got it from you ?

50 kazillion hours from memory. :laugh:

I bought it 2nd hand in Japan, so no I really dunno how many hours it did over there,I know Taylah put a ton of hours on it though. Pretty well a couple of hours every weekend for a the 10 months we owned it.

[GregMember]

It was a good thing I hate lets fix it :laugh:

TB

[DavidMember]

TB in other threads you have said I am confussed so set me straight here,

TB How many hours did you expect out of the MA , now that it has been established that 50 gazillion hours were put on by Mick and it was secondhand when he started…..and you are dirty at this??….Just checking, I know your paranoia about orange, and I understand it because I am the same with Green and yellow, the blue and red I tolerate, just,
So to recap you are upset that the main bearing went after all these hours of power display, I still recall your story about some fancy racer at one of the ride parks that Kieran Blew away continually and the Dad got the shits and packed up and went home, Oh thats right you never mention the good, So answer me this , whats the expectation you have of these, to go forever on one set of bearings,
I wonder if there was another 50cc make out there that put out the power the KTM did, would it last as long, it never ceases to amaze me that so called mechanically literate people dont have a firm grasp on mechanical cause and effect, you get nothing for nothing my friend, You expect (at least by your reactions it looks as if you expect full new performance with the second hand half sized price tag

I cannot afford to buy new bikes for my to little racers, so second hand is the only option, when you have not been the one to service from the beginning you never know.

As far as the 85 goes, How come I only just find out now about the problem, dont forget Mate, I have only spoken over the phone with this one, I have not seen it at all, I am only saying seal from what you describe, How many second hand bikes are sold with the type of Backup I provide, None, I have even been told by some, “its second hand they are paying half price for it so the thing is worn, thats why the cheaper price, why are you giving it full price support when you didnt get full price”

Also as far as ECKS-Man saying

Bloody hell, that’s saying something!

Not without reason I’d reckon. Definately bike faults TB, obviously?

How many of these KTM 50 have you owned or been involved with, dont say stuff with out knowing you look as stupid as the person you are trying to suck up to, “Bike faults” what a crock of shit, go to any 50cc race in the country and the KTM’s are dominant, why because they cant be beaten, and they get big hours with the right treatment, and TB before you get on you high horse, the thing got the right treatment from you I am sure , but a worn out bearing will still fail with the right treatment when its expiry date is done.

So answer me
What did you expect TB and
was it realistic,
Take the “I love Honda/I hate KTM” glasses off and look at it impartially if you can

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Not getting involved in any fashion here being partisan as I respect both you blokes and your knowledge.

Mr Rat is right even TB said that when he bought the KTM, the start line of all Div 1 & 2 is full of KTMs, (except in SE QLD, they tell me the Cobras are sneaking in) as they are the premier performers… but I’ve seen the maintenance schedules some of the top line Racers Dads put in. In fact Bob Cowley, Michael Doohans mentor and ex manager, ex-aussie multi speedway champ was the one who told me to keep Brenton away from the track until he was old enough to run Clutch and geared class for this and several other reasons, if I wanted to continue riding as well. So we got Bren a nice KX and he rides track and trail for fun until such time it becomes apparent that he’s ready and my wallet can handle it.

On the other hand I also fully understand TB’s frame of mind, I owned a YZ80G that was a pearler, not even a set of rings in a full season, but the replacement YZ80H I had dropped its’ bottom end all over NSW & QLD, at the same time my “farmbike” was an IT175F, couldn’t kill it with a stick of dynamite, but the “G” my Grandad bought me was an absolute dog and did the bottom end at 4 months old, 6 months old and 12 months old, when you work fencing as a 14 yr old to pay for your bikes it certainly scarred me on the tuning forks, so took me 29 years to ever own another yamaha dirtbike (owned a dozen yamaha roadies & no probs there) after that, and it’s a scorcher, no complaints.

Motorcycling is an emotional and yes partially ego driven pastime most of the time, and I get frustrated with others opinions when blatantly ignorant in origin, but both of you are experienced blokes and have good points niether wrong from your perspective, personally I won’t touch another KTM until they sort out the PDS to suit my style, but usually the motors (2T) are unreproachable.

Bruce

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