KTM Engine/Gearbox Oil?

[Mick DMember]

Penrite Gas 10,is what we are running in the XR’s. $135 for 20 litres. It is designed for gas engines that run hot.

[Anonymous]

ECKS I was just winding you up earlier I know loads of the guys in the States use Shell Rotella (I think Ollie mentioned it too) and they seem to love it (I look at KTM talk). Like you said the biggest thing is not to have friction modifiers otherwise your clutch won’t play nice.

My point is the Motorex stuff costs $110 for 4 litres and my gearbox alone takes 900mL. So I will try the ATF Dexron III in the gearbox and see how it goes, with regular changes there shouldn’t be any issues. There isn’t going to be an issue with heat as it’s already designed to run in a gearbox

Chris, I’ll check out Ballards site, if they have it for $60 for 4 litres I won’t even bother changing. I’ll just buy 20 litres of it at a time

I just don’t want to have to pay $50 in oil perchange every 400-500Km’s like I have been doing. Not to mention filters at $15 a pop I really don’t think it’s necessary. That and the fact that the bike uses oil as well means I get through alot of oil.

[Eric SmithMember]

Moto wrote:

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ECKS I was just winding you up earlier I know loads of the guys in the States use Shell Rotella (I think Ollie mentioned it too) and they seem to love it (I look at KTM talk). Like you said the biggest thing is not to have friction modifiers otherwise your clutch won’t play nice.

My point is the Motorex stuff costs $110 for 4 litres and my gearbox alone takes 900mL. So I will try the ATF Dexron III in the gearbox and see how it goes, with regular changes there shouldn’t be any issues. There isn’t going to be an issue with heat as it’s already designed to run in a gearbox

Chris, I’ll check out Ballards site, if they have it for $60 for 4 litres I won’t even bother changing. I’ll just buy 20 litres of it at a time

I just don’t want to have to pay $50 in oil perchange every 400-500Km’s like I have been doing. Not to mention filters at $15 a pop I really don’t think it’s necessary. That and the fact that the bike uses oil as well means I get through alot of oil.

All good! Just thought folks might like to know that it is possible and that I’m not way off base!

Your gearbox ALONE takes 900ml? :ohmy: Holy cow! Imagine if it took, say, 2 litres!:laugh:

And your bike uses oil? How many hours/km on it? Shouldn’t be using oil so soon surely?:blink:

Must say at the moment I am very tempted to use diesel oil – I’m not flash for cash at the moment (read that as almost broke) so can’t afford more Motul 5100. But I do have a 20 litre drum of diesel oil sitting there for my ute… I’m just scared to use it and cause damage, which is why I was searching TT & DBW about it. On the other hand, yesterday will invoice at $2700 (nearly 15 hours fieldwork) and today much the same (2 guys all day)… I think I’ll wait for the invoices to come in instead!

[Anonymous]

ECKS the new XC4 engines are known to do it. I know it normally is a sign of a top end being required/big ring gap but it never blows, smoke, has heaps of compression and always starts when I want it to. It’s a downside to the new engine for sure.

There it’s lots of talk about rerouter breathers and blocking this and that off to stop it doing it. I just top it up with oil when required. The other thing is the engine only takes 600mL and there must be lost of pockets inside the engine as getting a good level reading is damn near impossible.

$2700 for 15 hours – you must be loaded! You can pay me $180/hour if you want I don’t know what I’m doing though and I’m not very clever. Will that be a problem?

[Eric SmithMember]

Standard rates for us are $187/h for a field party. That’s two surveyors, GPS, total station, 4WD, and includes pegs placed, fuel etc. Considering there is $80,000+ worth of surveying gear in the ute most of the time, let alone everything else, its not too bad. Just as an example, most survey pegs cost me $4.40 each. Most surveyors charge more by the hour, especially for GPS, but I needed the work so didn’t charge more for GPS in this case.

I pay my graduate surveyor well above award, and if we were going better I’d probably pay him more than I do. Personally, I haven’t taken any money from the business since I bought the bike in December. If you are a graduate surveyor I’ll be in touch once things pick up, otherwise I’m afraid you are of no use to me!

I didn’t know the newer KTM’s did “lose” oil. Can you put more than the 600ml in the engine? Apparently most modern Honda’s will take almost twice the recommended amount with no problems, in fact most racing teams recommend it.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, you can overfill the engine and I have a few times (not by too much). I don’t see a major problem with doing it if the bike still runs okay. I’d rather have too much than too little

I couldn’t do surveying, don’t have the qualifications. Still if you have another field party paying $187/hour I’m there for sure

[Mick DMember]

Moto wrote:

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Yeah, you can overfill the engine and I have a few times (not by too much). I don’t see a major problem with doing it if the bike still runs okay. I’d rather have too much than too little

I couldn’t do surveying, don’t have the qualifications. Still if you have another field party paying $187/hour I’m there for sure

Hey Moto do you reckon you could make 42.5 wooden survey pegs in an hour.That is another way you could make that sort of money.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn’t get out of bed for $187/hour really :dry:

[Eric SmithMember]

What the rumours say is that you DO make that kind of money without getting out of bed! Vary Naarrce!

[Anonymous]

Ha ha your joking aren’t you!? I wish I earnt that!

$185/hour just isn’t cutting it, it’s amazing how far another $80 a week goes :laugh:

Nah, I get enough to pay for my bike (which is what counts) but I’m a long, long way short of $390K a year ($187/hour extrapolated).

[Bruce CurtisMember]

So relatively you two jokers orta be charge $350 p/litre of oil to be commeresate with your hourly charges?.

while the rest of us should be buying at $3.50 a litre :laugh:.

BC.

[GregMember]

Moto wrote:

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Somehwere along the line people started assuming that beacsue an oil is cheaper it heats up more? Where did that happen? .

No one did that you pommy git! You are the only one assuming! I just said that with the heat a current a 4 stroke produces I think (I know)a better quality oil would with stand temperatures better, an better quality would mean more costly!

Here is the piece I wrote

Trailboss wrote:

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If I had an automatic transmission I would run automatic transmission oil, makes sense to me as a person in the top end of the mechanical game.

Cheap oil and change more often well, if you have seen Dyno runs and see how much a current 450 four stroke engine loses horsepower wise when it heats up and can understand the demands and pressures placed on rockers cams etc guys how could a cheap oil that can suffer the same heat in the first 30 kms of an given ride offer the same protection as good quality oil?

I use Motul 5100 10w50 and change it around 500kms or after a big weekend with Chicken it maybe 1000kms, its quality oil and can do the 1000 kms standing on its head. Temperature is the big killer for oil breakdown.

TB

Have a nice day

TB

[Anonymous]

I will.

:laugh:

[GregMember]

I hope so Buddy

[alanMember]

why not just run semi synthetic 4 stroke oil in the gear box it is cheaper and not as hard on the cluch as full synthetic oil

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