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October 28, 2009 at 6:15 am #158394
Thanks for that, I thought a lot about it and figured it must have been the 450 Vs 300 difference.
I’m interested to see your longer term opinions!
October 28, 2009 at 10:00 pm #158400
AnonymousWell I’ll keep you all abreast of how I think it goes
October 28, 2009 at 11:09 pm #158449Hi Moto, here is a couple of photos from what we talked about yesterday:
Always put them in jiffy/glad bags just in case they leak.October 28, 2009 at 11:13 pm #158257Moto wrote:
Quote:Went for my first off road ride on the new 300 today and the red powervalve spring sure does make a hell of a difference. It’s night and day.Good, think of it like chainging the cam timing
• The red power valve spring does indeed unleash the hounds of hell, if my 450 can keep up with this when on band I’d be impressed!-]Ah young Padawan now you understand the pull of the 2T
• Power on band is very strong but linear.-yes the 1st century has been kind to the 2 cycle engine, so many think of a 1982 Cr125 type powerband, time has not stood still, since they rode one in high school
• The versatility of the engine with the different springs and CDI settings.-again Technology has been utilised on the venerable 2T, but there is a way to go yet to unleash the full potiential
• The low end torque for a 2 stroke.-Didn’t you ride trials bikes? should be of little surprise, what have we been spruiking about since George Bush senior was the man :ohmy:
• The suspension front and rear blows through the stroke much better than the 450 and seems to be fine with my weight. No clicker settings have been touched yet. I have no comment on this highly charged subjective issue :blush:
• It carves from side to side noticeably quicker than the 450.-once again why does this surprise you, reciprocating mass and over weight centralisation is not just a laboratory theorum
• It feels more nimble than the 450.Cause it is, yes for real
• The tyres surprisingly aren’t too bad, although haven’t been really pushed yet on rocky stuff.
• The Hyde bash plate has already saved my pipe.
• It feels like a nice new bike! would you have it any other way?, I can imagine 13K and it feels second hand, it’s not a Husky after allBad
• Bottom end is doughy off band.- a JD kit and careful jetting will help somewhat
• It doesn’t ride well sat at only 90 Km/h making it horrible to ride on the road. I suspect cleaning the jetting up will help this.Now this I find surprising as the top gear on the old 300s was well and truly an O/Drive and with 13-49 mine was very effortless at 120klicks, maybe i shoulda tried Menaces top speed out as well!!!
• The seat is hard which will give me monkey butt in a flash and also makes the bike a bit taller.- Young big shielia, wanna sheepskin cover to help your poor widdle bottom?
• The torque isn’t that of a 4 stroke.-What 4T, if a 300, Betchya it is, but just in different places, try and stop the engine on a dyno at say 7.5K, it’ll surprise you
• It only has 5 gears, could do with a 6th. Great for racing, not great for trailriding.Fully agreed all the bikes that warrant a 6th don’t get it, but “soft” trailbikes do, go figure eh?
I’m glad you have seen the light Brother Moto, now your testicles will increase in size, people will actually listen to your ravings as if a sage, and you will feel the power flow through your being and you will be one with your steed.
Bruce
October 28, 2009 at 11:25 pm #158453Very wise words Bruce.
– Doughy bottom end? This will improve with more hours on the clock.
– I long for 6th gear too. 5th is no overdrive. With Red spring and the screw flush the powervalve starts opening at 80km/h. Hardly a leisurely cruise.
– Again the torque will make more of appearance when the bike loosens up. It’s the throttle response that takes getting used to!October 28, 2009 at 11:38 pm #158454With standard gearing (13/48) and a six speed box the Gasgas goes pretty good on the transport sections. I dont know why everybike hasnt got a 6th gear :dry:
Ollie
October 29, 2009 at 7:12 am #158455
AnonymousBrucee – Yes I did ride trials bikes but the engines are designed for a very specific use that doesn’t involve a large range of operation. They have gobs of power low down but absolutely nothing up top. I was impressed at the bottom end of the modern 2t given that they go so well in the midrange and top end too.
Carving from side to side quicker than the 450 doesn’t surprise me either. But it was a good point of the bike hence it made it to the list of ‘good points’. Note the lack of a list of things I was surprised about
It’s running 13/52 gearing and the powervalve comes on at about 75Km/h with the red spring in. The yellow spring that Menace runs will make the powervalve come in alter enabling a better cruise around that speed. I suspect you were running the red spring but am surprised at your cpomment regarding overdrive as that certainly isn’t the case on my bike. With it’s current set-up I would go as far as to say it’s horrible to ride on the road, give me the 450 any day in that regard.
Not having a 6th gear seems to be a epic fail in my opinion. If it’s an out an out race bike (hence deserving of a 5 speed box) then why add electric start. If you’re going to have electric start on a 2t ‘for the lazy people’ (me especially included) then why not a 6th gear? It puzzles me.
I’m sure I’ll find the ratio’s when in the bush ace but a 6th gear would add another level of versatility. When doing longer trailrides I’d be inclined to run the yellow or maybe even the green spring to get a more usable ‘sustainable’ top speed.
At the end of the day I’m only stating what my honest thoughts currently are based on the little exposure I’ve had to the bike. Please all remember that (for once) I’m making refernce to any facts about ‘this or that’, merely my first impression jumping from a large bore 4t to a large bore 2t
I’m looking forward to further rides as I think we will become good friends
October 29, 2009 at 7:17 am #158542
Anonymous….and Axel that bottle is exactly what I’m after!
October 29, 2009 at 7:21 am #109874I have one in the shed you can have mate. Is actually for a boat two stroke motor (Yamaha I think )
I will get it out tonight & post a pic, it has heaps of ratios & incriments I think.
But if ya want it, its yours
October 29, 2009 at 7:25 am #158546
AnonymousThat’s definitely the next Tennis game and beers on me then Eagle! Top job!
I saw one in a bike shop today but it was massive, I’d never get it into my camelback!
October 29, 2009 at 7:31 am #109875Even with the YAMALUBE logo ??? :laugh: :laugh:
No dramas mate, you can have it
Next time we meet , or ya can pick it up from me at work if ya need it earlier
October 29, 2009 at 7:31 am #109876and
October 29, 2009 at 7:38 am #158549
AnonymousHah!! Perfect!!
Done deal mate
Even with the Yamalube on it. I did just cringe saying that though
October 29, 2009 at 7:40 am #109877Cool. I`ll have it in my bag each day, so give me a ring if you are round next week near Carrington in Newy, I will give it to ya
Or whatever we can arrange :woohoo:
October 29, 2009 at 7:44 am #158551
AnonymousI’ll call you, I may be able to sneak down and grab it tomorrow, I’m off work but supposed to be doing other things :dry:
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