OBT NEEDS YOUR HELP

[Anonymous]

Trailboss wrote:

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old al wrote:

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I agree with the thrust of this thread and if donations are needed then I am in. But let me act as the “devils advocate” for a moment. OK

This is cut and pasted for the original post by Trailboss.

“If you wish to PM me and let me know its done and through or you can remain nameless, it doesn’t matter no one will know besides us Yes thats still true
We will in the future have a paypal tab on the site that you can make paypal donations at any time but for now we will do it by bank transfer[color=][/color]
All donations will be remain private” and they still are
I already know who has donated by the green dots so I take it that you can say “no green dots for me I want to remain nameless”. Has anyone done that yet? Yes 3 members
[color=]I know that those thanking for the seal savers have donated more than $50.[/color] So when on a ride and walking around the trailers whilst suiting, how will you know if they purchased them or received them for donating them, we have sold and given away plenty before now haven’t we Ollie?
Another thing reared it’s head as I was thinking about the site.
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What are the legal ramifications of asking for donations to run a web site? Have you looked into it? Do you have to provide a reciept for the monies? Do you have to provide a balance sheet at regualar intervals? Yes we as a registered club with the tax dept have all sorts of legal stuff to do bass statements included are you offering to help

As your site grows so will the percentage of discontents and whingers grow.(I am not either by the way:P) That is the way of things. Small seads don’t necessarily grow healthy trees. The saplings have to be nursed and tended to produce the best plant.

These are just some thoughts of mine to throw into the ring for discussion. This is a top site and is, by your own admission, growing rapidly.

Be double sure you are on the right track with what you do. I wish only the best for the site.

old al

Whats the best way to do it then Al?

Thank’s for the replies Greg. I don’t have the answers. My whole raison d’etre with regards to this thread (and lots of others:P) is to stimulate debate. I am a great believer in the Westminster Parliamentary System of Government and Opposition. Question everything and the truth will out. Maybe with a bit of debate the answers to the financing of Old Bulls will present itself.

As for offering to help. Sure. I will make my first effort soon as my ankle heals by organising and leading a ride from Sugarloaf to Kitchener.

If you think I can help in any other way then PM me with your ideas and I will see what I can do.

old al

[Anonymous]

With regards to donating. It seems simple dosn’t it. But here is something that happened about 2-3 years ago.

A DBW Christmas weekend ride was organised in the Watagans on the Saturday and Sugarloaf on the Sunday.

The Sunday ride was organised by Mudrat (Glen).

He thought it would be a good idea to collect money at the Sunday ride to benefit the Westpac Helicopter, something we might all need someday. So he went to the Westpac base (or rang them, cannot remember which) and told them of his idea to hold a raffle at the ride. That’s when the bullshit started. To cut a long story short the crap he had to go through just to run a raffle and donate money to the Westpack Helicopter was so bad he gave it away.

We had the ride, no raffle, and the Westpac Helicopter got nothing.

Now this might have nothing to do with asking for donations for the web site but things arn’t as simple as they seem. They never are.

old al

[Anonymous]

Ideas.

1. As proposed, ask for voluntary donations but check, no, double check, the legal ramifications of a registered club asking the members for donations to keep the club going.

Look at the social ramifications of some members donating and some not. Maybe causing divisions?

2. When they need money to keep going cricket, football and many other clubs run the famous Aussie Chuck Raffle at the local pub. Have you looked at running raffles on OBT? Maybe start a thread asking how many would like to participate in regular raffles and work it out from there. Something like a Michelin X11 trials tyre would be a desirable thing to win . Don’t know how you would run a raffle electronically though.

3. Pick a start day and have a yearly fee for everyone, no exceptions. Pay one year in advance. A low fee or one a bit higher including a tee shirt. You would lose members but those you would lose would not contribute anyway so no loss. Once again you could canvass members via a thread to see what they think.

Actually, just thought of something. Instead of a voluntary “donation” how about a voluntary “fee”. Something along the lines of “the yearly fee for participating in OBT is $30. This fee is purely voluntary but will help in the upkeep and financing of this website which is run on a no-profit bases by volunteers”.

4. Threaten to send Menace around to anyone who won’t cough up some money. Worked for the Mafia!:laugh:

Just some “off the top of the head” ideas. Gotta be some smarter that me people on here. So lets see some more ideas.

old al

[GregMember]

old al wrote:

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With regards to donating. It seems simple dosn’t it. But here is something that happened about 2-3 years ago.

A DBW Christmas weekend ride was organised in the Watagans on the Saturday and Sugarloaf on the Sunday.

The Sunday ride was organised by Mudrat (Glen).

He thought it would be a good idea to collect money at the Sunday ride to benefit the Westpac Helicopter, something we might all need someday. So he went to the Westpac base (or rang them, cannot remember which) and told them of his idea to hold a raffle at the ride. That’s when the bullshit started. To cut a long story short the crap he had to go through just to run a raffle and donate money to the Westpack Helicopter was so bad he gave it away.

We had the ride, no raffle, and the Westpac Helicopter got nothing.

Now this might have nothing to do with asking for donations for the web site but things arn’t as simple as they seem. They never are.

old al

Nice story Al, sorry but here it comes firstly no offence as I want to go on the ride you are planning and am not planning to upset you directly or anybody else

Its a couple of bucks, stop with the glass is half empty, it is half FULL!!!!

Its started easy, it has been easy until you started with this might be a problem, and that may not work and this may not be simple. If I did that 11 months ago we wouldnt be having this cluster f@#& would we? I / we listen and we learn and we f#$&ing try our guts out, and if you have a problem come to the table, but bring an idea to fix it.

If its a problem we will deal with it when we get to it, or we will listen and learn

I will send the donations back and throw my hands in the air, and someone else can give it a try, I have had to give up my believe in karma a week ago because some low life who isn’t happy with what I do kept taking it, if they didnt seem happy with what I do, so why stay on the site, I just wanted to give something to the sport I love, I wanted to make a difference so it will be here for my boys I wanted others to see the tracks and experience what I have

Give me solutions not just picking at what I do

Those going on the wisemans ride I will see you tomorrow

This is not the opinion of all the OBT Admin team its mine, I am sicking of ringing to ask what they think!

TB

[Anonymous]

Trailboss wrote:

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old al wrote:

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With regards to donating. It seems simple dosn’t it. But here is something that happened about 2-3 years ago.

A DBW Christmas weekend ride was organised in the Watagans on the Saturday and Sugarloaf on the Sunday.

The Sunday ride was organised by Mudrat (Glen).

He thought it would be a good idea to collect money at the Sunday ride to benefit the Westpac Helicopter, something we might all need someday. So he went to the Westpac base (or rang them, cannot remember which) and told them of his idea to hold a raffle at the ride. That’s when the bullshit started. To cut a long story short the crap he had to go through just to run a raffle and donate money to the Westpack Helicopter was so bad he gave it away.

We had the ride, no raffle, and the Westpac Helicopter got nothing.

Now this might have nothing to do with asking for donations for the web site but things arn’t as simple as they seem. They never are.

old al

No offence taken Greg. When I go into something like this I expect the flac, would be disappointed if it didn’t come. Not trying to shoot you down in any way. Just offering my opinion for what it’s worth.

The offer to help if I can still stands. Let me know if I can do anything.

old al.

Nice story Al, sorry but here it comes firstly no offence as I want to go on the ride you are planning and am not planning to upset you directly or anybody else

Its a couple of bucks, stop with the glass is half empty, it is half farking FULL!!!!

Its started easy, it has been easy until you started with this might be a problem, and that may not work and this may not be simple. If I did that 11 months ago we wouldnt be having this cluster fuck would we? I / we listen and we learn and we fucking try our guts out, and if you have a problem come to the table, but bring an idea to fix it.

If its a problem we will deal with it when we get to it, or we will listen and learn

I will send the donations back and throw my hands in the air, and someone else can give it a try, I have had to give up my believe in karma a week ago because some low life who isn’t happy with what I do kept taking it, if they didnt seem happy with what I do, so why stay on the site, I just wanted to give something to the sport I love, I wanted to make a difference so it will be here for my boys I wanted others to see the tracks and experience what I have

Give me solutions not just picking at what I do

Those going on the wisemans ride I will see you tomorrow

This is not the opinion of all the OBT Admin team its mine, I am sicking of ringing to ask what they think!

TB

[GregMember]

Thanks Al
last post was sent before this one but I stand behind evrything I said

Ideas.

1. As proposed, ask for voluntary donations but check, no, double check, the legal ramifications of a registered club asking the members for donations to keep the club going.

We have Al
Look at the social ramifications of some members donating and some not. Maybe causing divisions?

2. When they need money to keep going cricket, football and many other clubs run the famous Aussie Chuck Raffle at the local pub. Have you looked at running raffles on OBT? Maybe start a thread asking how many would like to participate in regular raffles and work it out from there. Something like a Michelin X11 trials tyre would be a desirable thing to win . Don’t know how you would run a raffle electronically though.

Well its not really a fix then is it, it could be tampered with, we already had one competition questioned and we had a non admin pick the winner

3. Pick a start day and have a yearly fee for everyone, no exceptions. Pay one year in advance. A low fee or one a bit higher including a tee shirt. You would lose members but those you would lose would not contribute anyway so no loss. Once again you could canvass members via a thread to see what they think. So if they dont pay they are out?

Actually, just thought of something. Instead of a voluntary “donation” how about a voluntary “fee”. Something along the lines of “the yearly fee for participating in OBT is $30. This fee is purely voluntary but will help in the upkeep and financing of this website which is run on a no-profit bases by volunteers”. I said basically that in the very first post

4. Threaten to send Menace around to anyone who won’t cough up some money. Worked for the Mafia!:laugh:

Just some “off the top of the head” ideas. Gotta be some smarter that me people on here. So lets see some more ideas.

old al

[GregMember]

This is it for me

your first question needs more information for an answer

Ideas.

1. As proposed, ask for voluntary donations but check, no, double check, the legal ramifications of a registered club asking the members for donations to keep the club going.

We are a regisitered not for profit organtion, we spent the money doing this Al it is all legal

TB

[Bruce CurtisMember]

old al wrote:

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Ideas.

4. Threaten to send Menace around to anyone who won’t cough up some money. Worked for the Mafia!:laugh:

old al

Mmm there is actually a charge directly dealing with that scenario it’s

“DEMAND MONEY WITH MENACE”

Could get you up to 7-8 in a 6×9 with a new “boyfriend” named Bubba.

I’d prefer “asking politely for funds so we can keep menace from living up to his name”

BC

[Anonymous]

“As proposed, ask for voluntary donations but check, no, double check, the legal ramifications of a registered club asking the members for donations to keep the club going.

Look at the social ramifications of some members donating and some not. Maybe causing divisions?”

Greg, if there is no problem legally and you think the “us and them” thing won’t arise then go for it the way you are. As I said I will donate no problem.

I will say no more on the subject on the grounds I still want to live a bit longer.:lol:

old al.

[dennis da menaceMember]

yeah, watch out all of yas…..

if i get angry and start doing my chinook helicopter impersonation,

i guarantee yous, I’LL get hurt and MY blood will be spilt!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

menace…..the peace cat!:kiss:

ps- im workin on a song for this thread, anyone care to guess what?????

[Dwayne OMember]

menace wrote:

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yeah, watch out all of yas…..

if i get angry and start doing my chinook helicopter impersonation,

i guarantee yous, I’LL get hurt and MY blood will be spilt!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

menace…..the peace cat!:kiss:

ps- im workin on a song for this thread, anyone care to guess what?????

You write a song for this & we are gonna need more than HELP,,,,:laugh:
We will all need Psychiatric help,,,,, that`s where Boony will come in handy:blink:

[Dwayne OMember]

old al wrote:

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“As proposed, ask for voluntary donations but check, no, double check, the legal ramifications of a registered club asking the members for donations to keep the club going.

Look at the social ramifications of some members donating and some not. Maybe causing divisions?”

Greg, if there is no problem legally and you think the “us and them” thing won’t arise then go for it the way you are. As I said I will donate no problem.

I will say no more on the subject on the grounds I still want to live a bit longer.:lol:

old al.

Nice Work Boys,,,,
A good debate with a sensible end to the evening;)
AT the end of the day, we all want what is best for Old Bulls, and from the last 24hrs of posts, it looks like we have plenty of great people wanting to make sure it continues the way it has been the last 11 months:) A good bunch of like minded riders
Cheers

[Anonymous]

I wasn’t going to post anything after all the posts today because I didn’t want to continue to stir the pot up but I have to say I’m really cranky now.

It’s so simple. I can’t believe this would cause so much controversy.

Donate or don’t donate.

There. Now leave it alone. I have been responsible for organising minor events before (like staff Christmas party’s) and you do it because you really feel that it’s important to bring people together, especially in the ever-changing ‘I’m only out for myself’ society. And then no matter what someone will criticise and your good intentions feel like they have been chewed up and spat out. And then you wonder why you bothered.

I honestly don’t mean to upset anyone but please guys consider the effort that the OBT team puts in and that their best interests are only to benefit us.

I am a very diplomatic person so to post something like this that may upset anyone is very difficult for me but it should prove how strongly I feel about this subject.

Menace – you might need to show me how to do the chinook helicopter impersonation.

Please feel free to take my karma off me for this one but if that’s the price I pay so be it

[TheBossMember]

A song would be great, you could do a couple of country numbers

How to derail a waggon

Take the wind from my sails

It was a good idea until it was picked to pieces

He fought all by himself on his own

[Dwayne OMember]

KylieD wrote:

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I wasn’t going to post anything after all the posts today because I didn’t want to continue to stir the pot up but I have to say I’m really cranky now.

It’s so simple. I can’t believe this would cause so much controversy.

Donate or don’t donate.

There. Now leave it alone. I have been responsible for organising minor events before (like staff Christmas party’s) and you do it because you really feel that it’s important to bring people together, especially in the ever-changing ‘I’m only out for myself’ society. And then no matter what someone will criticise and your good intentions feel like they have been chewed up and spat out. And then you wonder why you bothered.

I honestly don’t mean to upset anyone but please guys consider the effort that the OBT team puts in and that their best interests are only to benefit us.

I am a very diplomatic person so to post something like this that may upset anyone is very difficult for me but it should prove how strongly I feel about this subject.

Menace – you might need to show me how to do the chinook helicopter impersonation.

Please feel free to take my karma off me for this one but if that’s the price I pay so be it

I`m with you on this one Princess:)
Simple answers there, well said! I don`t think anyone will even consider removing karma,,,,

See ya`s tomorrow

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