OBT sweeps Mt Seaview. The reports.

[simon burkeMember]

The night before the event, cattle got tromping around in the creek and ate all the hay!!This alone caused more silt than 100 bikes going through the creek. :blink: :S[/quote]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

couldn’t help myself
Bol :woohoo:

[Mick DMember]

Oh just so you all know. There was 3 objectors that I know of.
The resort next door, soon retracted their opposition once the resort was booked out by dirt bike riders.

The other two live no where near the venue. As the crow flies one is 8kms away and the other is 22kms.

[Peter HornMember]

We still need to engage with them Mick, even if they are serial complainers. In the Hunter Mines, we get people moving in next door so they can complain and get paid out! :blink:
But the officials know all about these type of people and if you can show that you’ve let ’em know whats going on and done your best to satisfy thier whinges you get less kick-back.
I also agree that there is a bias in all of this, I have 10 steeers on my place and when it’s wet, I’d have to ride my bike for two days to make as much mess as they make going to the dam to get a drink! :ohmy:
Anyways we got to move with the times or loose our sport, doesn’t matter which political party is in (unless by some calamity the Greens get control :sick: ) we have to deal with these people, the government used to do it, they got sick of it and now anyone who wants to do something that requires permission has to do it! :dry:
It’s a shiite system but its what we got and we have to work within it or were dead in the water…
Iva

[Mick DMember]

Well said Iva.

[Old MateMember]

G’day. Well said Lyn Braico! And well done to Mick Prott and Ralph Clissold. I watched the Saturday seniors race- sensational! What a track- very fast, basically a massive grass track. How quick is Merriman on a 250F!!!
Did you notice how well the dirt holds together up there Mick? Lots of rich black soil but not sticky when wet like Moree way. Very little damage done to the track.
I wonder if some small bridges would avoid the issues with creek crossings. Most of the creeks are shallow and are only about 2m wide max. I have seen brick pallet bridges work successfully (although not that one out near Bago Vineyard….) or does that open up legal issues…….
I will write to the council as the place has untold potential.
Old Mate

[DeanMember]

Hey Ol mate I think Stefan was riding a YZ450 not the 2 fitty and yes he was blidingly fast 👿

I was in the first creek crossing on the saturday and the rut was pretty bad, I reckon some wire mesh would have fixed it very easily, not to sure what could be done with the second crossing tho

Ollie

[Mick DMember]

A pole and pallet bridge would work nicely.Although, so would a race around a McDonalds car park. I am of the opinion that a good enduro needs a creek crossing or two. Any siltation from a bike race is minimal in the grand scheme of things (Considering that big flash floods rip through Seaview’s gullies on a regular basis.), The race meeting’s combined silt ingress into the environment is minimal, when that is taken into consideration, I feel that the greens are being a bit sensitive.
Like it has been said earlier in this post a small herd of cattle will do more damage to a creek bank, just getting a drink.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Been dealing indirectly and directly with Pro-greens for over 20 years now, lost 3 jobs because of their activities, been named by position and deeds in NSW parliament by the right Honourable Lee Rhiannon in the cowards castle for stuff she would not dare utter outside that privileged sanctum for fear of libel and being shown to be a charlatan and in the ensuing bungle got the chop from a hard-won career 2 days before Xmas with a 8 month pregnant wife and 3 yr old and a new mortgage. So basically what I am saying is very few would have reason to dislike them as much as I and my ilk, however that is too lose, we need to understand their motives and drivers……
And it IS alot more basic than growing dope in national parks although there is a degree of that within their ranks.
Mostly it is intellectual arrogance, highly educated in many esoteric areas, they are quite oft led by professional power-mongers and zealots, confornt this in a civil and logical fashion and they can be seen for what they are, non-scientific ego driven emotive packs of wolves whom are so convinced we need to be changed from our evil ways as we are uncivilized in comparison to them.
The majority of hard-liners are almost identical to religious zealots, think of it that way and you can find ways to discredit their half-baked emotional guilt trip addled cries of foul…..

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Been dealing indirectly and directly with Pro-greens for over 20 years now, lost 3 jobs because of their activities, been named by position and deeds in NSW parliament by the right Honourable Lee Rhiannon in the cowards castle for stuff she would not dare utter outside that privileged sanctum for fear of libel and being shown to be a charlatan and in the ensuing bungle got the chop from a hard-won career 2 days before Xmas with a 8 month pregnant wife and 3 yr old and a new mortgage. So basically what I am saying is very few would have reason to dislike them as much as I and my ilk, however that is too lose, we need to understand their motives and drivers……
And it IS alot more basic than growing dope in national parks although there is a degree of that within their ranks.
Mostly it is intellectual arrogance, highly educated in many esoteric areas, they are quite oft led by professional power-mongers and zealots, confornt this in a civil and logical fashion and they can be seen for what they are, non-scientific ego driven emotive packs of wolves whom are so convinced we need to be changed from our evil ways as we are uncivilized in comparison to them.
The majority of hard-liners are almost identical to religious zealots, think of it that way and you can find ways to discredit their half-baked emotional guilt trip addled cries of foul…..

KTM_Rules wrote:

Message from Lyn Braico

Save Mt. Seaview – save our sport!

At the NSW State Enduro rider’s briefing last Sunday at Mt. Seaview, I had a talk with riders and their families about the future Mt. Seaview and our sport in general.

As you may know, there was some local opposition to the event being held at Mt. Seaview and the local Hastings Council and MNSW received legal documents to ban the event. At the eleventh hour, a compromise was reached between the local activist and MNSW and the promoters, and the event was saved.

What an event it was! Mt Seaview is arguably one of the best off road venues in Australia, offering sweeping hills, open grass paddocks and natural bush. Located just under 5 hours from Sydney, the property has a wonderful set up with camping facilities, amenities block and communal kitchen. Our NSW Enduro State Round was attended by junior and senior riders, their families and friends, and I am sure that everyone who was there will agree that it’s heaven of earth for our sport.

So how can we work together to try to save this great venue for our future events?

As an Enduro fraternity, we need to say thanks more often to the wider community that is hosting our events. We also need to promote our sport and educate these communities so that they want us there, not just tolerate us there. We need to help them understand what we all take for granted – that is, we are a family sport, who loves the bush!

When you break it down, we are all under the microscope and we all take it for granted. But to a layperson, this is how we work…

What is Enduro and off road motorcycling? Enduro is similar to a car rally, but competitors ride motorbikes throughout the trails and grasstracks. NSW Enduro Sport is conducted under a permit from Motorcycling Australia (M.A.) and is governed by strict rules and regulations including environmental awareness and noise restrictions for the motor bikes. We aim to have minimal impact on the forests and farms we use, while at the same time promoting the sport of Enduro and all it has to offer.

Organizers must obtain Council permission, Police permission and advise local hospitals and community. We must have traffic management plans, emergency evacuation plans, and medical plans etc. to satisfy the whole criteria as set out by Motorcycling Australia, just to obtain a permit to run an event. With this permit comes 20 million dollars of insurance to cover our event for public liability, so that all the above authorities’ are happy that we are safe.

All competitors and support crews are governed by a strict set of M.A. Rules and Regulations; riders have to hold licenses issued by Motorcycling Australia. To obtain a license, riders have to sit a theory test; ride a practical test and junior riders have to specialized coaching clinics to ensure safety and skill. Riders have specific clothing and safety equipment they must wear to compete, not just helmets and boots, but regulation riding apparel and neck protection for juniors.

All machines used in Enduro are heavily scrutinized before each event. Rules relating to noise pollution, use of environmental mats and fire extinguishers and correct disposal of fluids etc. are heavily enforced. There can be no error where the environment is at risk.

All properties we use and subsequent courses we make have environmental impact as their primary concern. You don’t just put in a track and hope it holds up to the event, it’s carefully planned so that you have the least amount of impact, the access is possible for medical personnel and support crews, and most importantly, promoters have a way to rehabilitate the site. Often kangaroo and cattle tracks are the guidelines for bush sections, nature shows the organizers where the safest and easiest route is between two points. On grass tracks like the one we had a Mt. Seaview, access would be easy to run a machine around, smooth out the ruts and berms and re-seed the paddock – in just a few weeks the course would be on it’s way to full recovery.

We all camp on-site, bring our own equipment and water, take our rubbish home and leave just a bare footprint. We are only too happy to support local communities who support us, we all have to eat, sleep, buy fuel etc. Our sport willingly pours thousands of dollars into a hosting community on any given weekend.

So when you break it down, we are a highly organized and regulated family sport, so why doesn’t everyone welcome us with open arms?
Well………

Firstly, it’s the fear of the unknown. I have found that when I say anything to do with motorbikes, the layperson seems to think of the Hells Angels or Rebels. Many a folk has looked at me in horror when I said I took my kids to the bikes on the weekend!

We need to be positive ambassadors for our sport; you need to explain it in simple terms as a family, off-road experience. Tell people about the great camaraderie among the riders and their families, the fantastic places we visit, how much fun you and your kids have on any given weekend. Highlight the heath and well-being of the outdoors lifestyle and the opportunities for personal development that exist in off road motor sport. Try to refrain from the word “racing”, as it conjures up speed and danger in an onlookers mind, use rally, Enduro, cross country or sprint – it’s more interesting when you explain our sport like this. We need to break the stereo-type of yobbo’s on loud, smokey, unregistered bikes, terrorizing campgrounds across Australia every weekend. This is not what we do, nor do we condone this behaviour!

Secondly, acknowledge that the environment is a big part of what we do. DO NOT BAD MOUTH ANYONE who wishes to protect our earth, regardless of your personal views. Bad vibes and bad attitude is how some of the conflict has started elsewhere in the first place. We need to work with these people to form compromise and understanding; after all, they are willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. They have a huge voice in their community because they use it loud and often, mostly we sit on the fence and whine when it’s too late and gates are locked.

We need to be pro-active about the environment. Again stress about our regulations on bike noise, enviro-mats, waste oil and rubbish removal. Let them know that we rehabilitate properties, plough and re-seed them and plan courses to do the have the least amount of environmental impact. We use existing tracks, made by animals, so we can preserve and protect natural habitats. Creeks and watercourses are avoided where possible; in some events where a crossing is imperative, bridges and causeways are built to protect this valuable natural area. We take this all for granted, but no more, we need to talk the talk and protect the bush before it’s lost forever.

Third, we need to educate communities wherever we go. Where possible, shop and fuel up in the local area. Let them know you are here for the NSW Enduro held at Mt. Seaview, for example, tell them a little about the event. When booking accommodation away from the track, again let the host know why you are coming to the area. On average, a family spends around $400.00 in a community on an Enduro weekend, especially if you fuel up at the local and support the canteen onsite at the event. That does not include if, like us, you stayed 2 nights in a motel last weekend – another $480.00 plus dinner and drinks. More money into the local economy!

Essentially, we are expanding tourism into many of these smaller rural areas – look at how much was pumped into sleepy Portland and Lithgow during last year’s Four Day Enduro! Millions of tourist dollars went into this district and many riding enthusiasts have returned since the event – thus an ongoing tourist commitment is being made. Just ask Dungog how important our Enduro is on their community calendar – the whole town is booked out.

Port Macquarie may not directly feel this tourism influx from our event just yet, but I bet that Jasper’s Resort next door to Mt. Seaview, the hotel at Long Flat and the service stations in Wauchope on the Oxley Highway all had a healthy boost last weekend from all of us! We need to take credit where credit is due and let local Council’s know how we can positively impact their economies!

Now what??

OK, so I have been preaching to the converted, but now it’s your turn! Like I said earlier, we take all this for granted and sit on the fence, but when you break it down, the positives far outweigh the negatives! We just need to get our voice out there too.

Please write to Hastings Council – sooner rather than later. All their contact information can be found on the following link:
http://www.hastings.nsw.gov.au/www/html/76-contact-us.asp

Correspondence should be addressed to Mr Neil Porter, who was appointed Administrator of Port Macquarie-Hastings Council in April 2011. (They don’t have a Mayor as such.) Thank the Council for allowing us to use Mt. Seaview last weekend; tell them what a great time you had at this wonderful property. Make sure you inform them of your demographic i.e. the family attended the event, my wife and I scenario etc.., where you live, how far you travelled just to be there. Give a rough estimate of the money you put into their community and how you hope to return in September for the State and National Rounds of the Australian Off Road Championships.

Remember to give the benefits of “providing our young people with a range of leisure activities and opportunities of personal development” all while recognizing the valuable resource of our environment. Let them know that your family was “actively participating in an inclusive community activity” or words to this effect. These two quotes are from the Hastings Council Strategic Plan 2030 – a copy can be found on the following link:
http://www.hastings.nsw.gov.au/resources/documents/Towards_2030_CSP_FINAL_June_2011.pdf

Read through this and familiarize yourself with the Hastings Council, check out their website and see where their priorities are. Encourage open discussion and make sure you let them know what our environmental policies are, how important the bush and it’s regeneration are to our sport.

This has been a long winded rant from a mum who has dealt with the general public and Councils on your behalf over the last few years. It’s all relevant and please, make a start to stand up with me to educate the masses of the benefit of Enduro sport.

Together, we have a voice of reason, now is the time to use it.

Thanks, and hopefully see you at Mt Seaview in September.

Have fun and stay safe!
Yours in Sport,

Lyn Braico

we need to sell the positives and educate

TB

[Michael PassauMember]

Already sent off an email to the council, I hope every one gets on board with this, as riding areas are shrinking on a daily basis. It’s very dissapointing to visit other bike web sites and see the complacency that exists in the offroad community. The green community have never had such a strong hold in parliament and it is very concerning the political clout that some of these groups have.

The general community it self is another issue we have, as the sport can have many negative aspects for those not fully educated in the responsible running and organisation of offroad events.

[corey heatherMember]

The thing i never understand is even though at a race meeting you can rip up a race track in a few hours but once the ground is all turned up and left for a few weeks the grass is 3 times longer so its not hurting the land.

Look at the damage that a 4WD club does when they head out in the bush.

Look at the size of half the greenies houses that are all made from logged forrest.

Back on topic it looks like it was a great event and sorry i missed it well done OBTers for the great work

[Mark BuntingMember]

Trailboss wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

Been dealing indirectly and directly with Pro-greens for over 20 years now, lost 3 jobs because of their activities, been named by position and deeds in NSW parliament by the right Honourable Lee Rhiannon in the cowards castle for stuff she would not dare utter outside that privileged sanctum for fear of libel and being shown to be a charlatan and in the ensuing bungle got the chop from a hard-won career 2 days before Xmas with a 8 month pregnant wife and 3 yr old and a new mortgage. So basically what I am saying is very few would have reason to dislike them as much as I and my ilk, however that is too lose, we need to understand their motives and drivers……
And it IS alot more basic than growing dope in national parks although there is a degree of that within their ranks.
Mostly it is intellectual arrogance, highly educated in many esoteric areas, they are quite oft led by professional power-mongers and zealots, confornt this in a civil and logical fashion and they can be seen for what they are, non-scientific ego driven emotive packs of wolves whom are so convinced we need to be changed from our evil ways as we are uncivilized in comparison to them.
The majority of hard-liners are almost identical to religious zealots, think of it that way and you can find ways to discredit their half-baked emotional guilt trip addled cries of foul…..

KTM_Rules wrote:

Message from Lyn Braico

Save Mt. Seaview – save our sport!

At the NSW State Enduro rider’s briefing last Sunday at Mt. Seaview, I had a talk with riders and their families about the future Mt. Seaview and our sport in general.

As you may know, there was some local opposition to the event being held at Mt. Seaview and the local Hastings Council and MNSW received legal documents to ban the event. At the eleventh hour, a compromise was reached between the local activist and MNSW and the promoters, and the event was saved.

What an event it was! Mt Seaview is arguably one of the best off road venues in Australia, offering sweeping hills, open grass paddocks and natural bush. Located just under 5 hours from Sydney, the property has a wonderful set up with camping facilities, amenities block and communal kitchen. Our NSW Enduro State Round was attended by junior and senior riders, their families and friends, and I am sure that everyone who was there will agree that it’s heaven of earth for our sport.

So how can we work together to try to save this great venue for our future events?

As an Enduro fraternity, we need to say thanks more often to the wider community that is hosting our events. We also need to promote our sport and educate these communities so that they want us there, not just tolerate us there. We need to help them understand what we all take for granted – that is, we are a family sport, who loves the bush!

When you break it down, we are all under the microscope and we all take it for granted. But to a layperson, this is how we work…

What is Enduro and off road motorcycling? Enduro is similar to a car rally, but competitors ride motorbikes throughout the trails and grasstracks. NSW Enduro Sport is conducted under a permit from Motorcycling Australia (M.A.) and is governed by strict rules and regulations including environmental awareness and noise restrictions for the motor bikes. We aim to have minimal impact on the forests and farms we use, while at the same time promoting the sport of Enduro and all it has to offer.

Organizers must obtain Council permission, Police permission and advise local hospitals and community. We must have traffic management plans, emergency evacuation plans, and medical plans etc. to satisfy the whole criteria as set out by Motorcycling Australia, just to obtain a permit to run an event. With this permit comes 20 million dollars of insurance to cover our event for public liability, so that all the above authorities’ are happy that we are safe.

All competitors and support crews are governed by a strict set of M.A. Rules and Regulations; riders have to hold licenses issued by Motorcycling Australia. To obtain a license, riders have to sit a theory test; ride a practical test and junior riders have to specialized coaching clinics to ensure safety and skill. Riders have specific clothing and safety equipment they must wear to compete, not just helmets and boots, but regulation riding apparel and neck protection for juniors.

All machines used in Enduro are heavily scrutinized before each event. Rules relating to noise pollution, use of environmental mats and fire extinguishers and correct disposal of fluids etc. are heavily enforced. There can be no error where the environment is at risk.

All properties we use and subsequent courses we make have environmental impact as their primary concern. You don’t just put in a track and hope it holds up to the event, it’s carefully planned so that you have the least amount of impact, the access is possible for medical personnel and support crews, and most importantly, promoters have a way to rehabilitate the site. Often kangaroo and cattle tracks are the guidelines for bush sections, nature shows the organizers where the safest and easiest route is between two points. On grass tracks like the one we had a Mt. Seaview, access would be easy to run a machine around, smooth out the ruts and berms and re-seed the paddock – in just a few weeks the course would be on it’s way to full recovery.

We all camp on-site, bring our own equipment and water, take our rubbish home and leave just a bare footprint. We are only too happy to support local communities who support us, we all have to eat, sleep, buy fuel etc. Our sport willingly pours thousands of dollars into a hosting community on any given weekend.

So when you break it down, we are a highly organized and regulated family sport, so why doesn’t everyone welcome us with open arms?
Well………

Firstly, it’s the fear of the unknown. I have found that when I say anything to do with motorbikes, the layperson seems to think of the Hells Angels or Rebels. Many a folk has looked at me in horror when I said I took my kids to the bikes on the weekend!

We need to be positive ambassadors for our sport; you need to explain it in simple terms as a family, off-road experience. Tell people about the great camaraderie among the riders and their families, the fantastic places we visit, how much fun you and your kids have on any given weekend. Highlight the heath and well-being of the outdoors lifestyle and the opportunities for personal development that exist in off road motor sport. Try to refrain from the word “racing”, as it conjures up speed and danger in an onlookers mind, use rally, Enduro, cross country or sprint – it’s more interesting when you explain our sport like this. We need to break the stereo-type of yobbo’s on loud, smokey, unregistered bikes, terrorizing campgrounds across Australia every weekend. This is not what we do, nor do we condone this behaviour!

Secondly, acknowledge that the environment is a big part of what we do. DO NOT BAD MOUTH ANYONE who wishes to protect our earth, regardless of your personal views. Bad vibes and bad attitude is how some of the conflict has started elsewhere in the first place. We need to work with these people to form compromise and understanding; after all, they are willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. They have a huge voice in their community because they use it loud and often, mostly we sit on the fence and whine when it’s too late and gates are locked.

We need to be pro-active about the environment. Again stress about our regulations on bike noise, enviro-mats, waste oil and rubbish removal. Let them know that we rehabilitate properties, plough and re-seed them and plan courses to do the have the least amount of environmental impact. We use existing tracks, made by animals, so we can preserve and protect natural habitats. Creeks and watercourses are avoided where possible; in some events where a crossing is imperative, bridges and causeways are built to protect this valuable natural area. We take this all for granted, but no more, we need to talk the talk and protect the bush before it’s lost forever.

Third, we need to educate communities wherever we go. Where possible, shop and fuel up in the local area. Let them know you are here for the NSW Enduro held at Mt. Seaview, for example, tell them a little about the event. When booking accommodation away from the track, again let the host know why you are coming to the area. On average, a family spends around $400.00 in a community on an Enduro weekend, especially if you fuel up at the local and support the canteen onsite at the event. That does not include if, like us, you stayed 2 nights in a motel last weekend – another $480.00 plus dinner and drinks. More money into the local economy!

Essentially, we are expanding tourism into many of these smaller rural areas – look at how much was pumped into sleepy Portland and Lithgow during last year’s Four Day Enduro! Millions of tourist dollars went into this district and many riding enthusiasts have returned since the event – thus an ongoing tourist commitment is being made. Just ask Dungog how important our Enduro is on their community calendar – the whole town is booked out.

Port Macquarie may not directly feel this tourism influx from our event just yet, but I bet that Jasper’s Resort next door to Mt. Seaview, the hotel at Long Flat and the service stations in Wauchope on the Oxley Highway all had a healthy boost last weekend from all of us! We need to take credit where credit is due and let local Council’s know how we can positively impact their economies!

Now what??

OK, so I have been preaching to the converted, but now it’s your turn! Like I said earlier, we take all this for granted and sit on the fence, but when you break it down, the positives far outweigh the negatives! We just need to get our voice out there too.

Please write to Hastings Council – sooner rather than later. All their contact information can be found on the following link:
http://www.hastings.nsw.gov.au/www/html/76-contact-us.asp

Correspondence should be addressed to Mr Neil Porter, who was appointed Administrator of Port Macquarie-Hastings Council in April 2011. (They don’t have a Mayor as such.) Thank the Council for allowing us to use Mt. Seaview last weekend; tell them what a great time you had at this wonderful property. Make sure you inform them of your demographic i.e. the family attended the event, my wife and I scenario etc.., where you live, how far you travelled just to be there. Give a rough estimate of the money you put into their community and how you hope to return in September for the State and National Rounds of the Australian Off Road Championships.

Remember to give the benefits of “providing our young people with a range of leisure activities and opportunities of personal development” all while recognizing the valuable resource of our environment. Let them know that your family was “actively participating in an inclusive community activity” or words to this effect. These two quotes are from the Hastings Council Strategic Plan 2030 – a copy can be found on the following link:
http://www.hastings.nsw.gov.au/resources/documents/Towards_2030_CSP_FINAL_June_2011.pdf

Read through this and familiarize yourself with the Hastings Council, check out their website and see where their priorities are. Encourage open discussion and make sure you let them know what our environmental policies are, how important the bush and it’s regeneration are to our sport.

This has been a long winded rant from a mum who has dealt with the general public and Councils on your behalf over the last few years. It’s all relevant and please, make a start to stand up with me to educate the masses of the benefit of Enduro sport.

Together, we have a voice of reason, now is the time to use it.

Thanks, and hopefully see you at Mt Seaview in September.

Have fun and stay safe!
Yours in Sport,

Lyn Braico

we need to sell the positives and educate

TB

+1 TB

educate educate educate.

I’m drafting my letter to Council and local news papers.

If we don’t stand up for our sport and, as TB said, sell the positives and educate the general public our kids won’t have the same opportunities to ride as we do now. There will always be whingers no matter what we do but we can’t let a very small minority ruin our sport.

My kids are now riding and loving the sport and I love ridin with them. Part of why I’m writing to council etc is to ensure I can still spend great fun and family time with my children.

Kram

[TobyMember]

I feel it is very important to not stereotype particular groups e.g. Greenies. I would consider myself a bit of a Greeny as I believe a Carbon Tax is a good idea, I believe global warming is real and population control is an issue that needs to debated. We cannot continue to treat the earth the way we are.
I am also a keen motorcycle rider and believe we must find a balance between what we enjoy and our responsibility as global citizens.

I feel the important point are;
1. Respect and be tolerant of other people opinions.
2. Promote our sport in a positive light.
3. Do not bitch about and make generalisations about individuals or groups that oppose our sport.
4. Be willing to debate and negotiate.

[Peter HornMember]

Fossil wrote:

I feel it is very important to not stereotype particular groups e.g. Greenies. I would consider myself a bit of a Greeny as I believe a Carbon Tax is a good idea, I believe global warming is real and population control is an issue that needs to debated. We cannot continue to treat the earth the way we are.
I am also a keen motorcycle rider and believe we must find a balance between what we enjoy and our responsibility as global citizens.

I feel the important point are;
1. Respect and be tolerant of other people opinions.
2. Promote our sport in a positive light.
3. Do not bitch about and make generalisations about individuals or groups that oppose our sport.
4. Be willing to debate and negotiate.

I’m lookin’ forward to meeting you Fossil, we think along similar lines.
Iva

[Michael PassauMember]

I used the word “Green”, as that is the name of the political party, that currently holds the power in the senate and negotiated with the Labor party to form the current federal government. If the greens have recently de-registered this word with the Australian Electoral Commission and or changed their political candidate name, I am more than happy to refrain from using it in any future posts.

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