Rant

[Craig HattonMember]

Thought I’d have a rant this morning so

MX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.

I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.

Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.

No rego required so save money – crap- people spend $1200 on aftermarket pipe, this alone would pay for 3 years of rego

Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference

Suspension is better – not for the bush.

Cons
Won’t lug in S/t
Overheat
No button start
Loud
Against the law
Un-rego’d
Un-licensed
Un-insured
Harsh suspension
Will get riding areas closed down
Costly if you hurt someone else
No torque
Fuel range
Maintenance

The list goes on.
We all love this sport of ours and hope that we can do it until we have to give it away -lets not shorten that time by allowing the minorities to succeed.

We have to be united in our stand for support of our sport, but will never win or achieve this until we show that we are law abiding.

Wake up mx riders in the bush and do the right thing, before it’s to late, you will be the first people to whinge when it happens.

Rant over

Hatto

[Mick DMember]

Rant read and acknowledged.

It is a pity that it has come to this really. When we were kids we could ride in the bush,no worries. I am lucky to have private bush trails to ride and share with my kids. They love riding bush trails,we really need more recreational areas that family groups can enjoy riding in the bush as it is great fun to ride as a family and it also helps build riding skills you wont get on a MX track.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Hatto wrote:

Quote:

Thought I’d have a rant this morning so

MX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.

I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.

Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.

No rego required so save money – crap- people spend $1200 on aftermarket pipe, this alone would pay for 3 years of rego

Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference

Suspension is better – not for the bush.

Cons
Won’t lug in S/t
Overheat
No button start
Loud
Against the law
Un-rego’d
Un-licensed
Un-insured
Harsh suspension
Will get riding areas closed down
Costly if you hurt someone else
No torque
Fuel range
Maintenance

The list goes on.
We all love this sport of ours and hope that we can do it until we have to give it away -lets not shorten that time by allowing the minorities to succeed.

We have to be united in our stand for support of our sport, but will never win or achieve this until we show that we are law abiding.

Wake up mx riders in the bush and do the right thing, before it’s to late, you will be the first people to whinge when it happens.

Rant over

Hatto

If I may Hatto I will address some of the misconceptions/generalisations in this rant of yours, but prior to this i will state that apparently REC REGO is being seriously considered by the authorities in NSW as we speak, now I know some of the purists on here argue against it, but to me that’s as good as my argument that Middle-aged wanna-bes should not be allowed to buy their first dirtbike until learning humility and respect for the sport.

Anyway.

point 1-Won’t lug in S/t,
Maybe a 250f won’t but an RM250/YZ250/KX250/250sx will hold a much lower RPM constant before flaming out than any 450 or 2504t. For that matter a 4504T Mxer will lug well enough, and if you are getting down that low maybe you need to look at skills improvement, no bike bar a trials bike is designed to be ridden at walking pace.

Point 2-overheat
True for some, false for many others, radiators are the same as are the waterpumps on most crossover engines, other factors may come into play, but I’ll tell you the KTM excs we ride with overheat more than the MX based mounts

Point 3- Button start??
Do I really need to say anything here Hatto?, see my point about middle-aged blokes for clarification

point 4- Loud
this is not a enduro v Mxer thing it’s a wanker v responsible rider thing, I will guarantee my MX based bike is quieter than anything here other than a stock piped DRZ.

Point 5-8 & 11
Agreed

Point 9-Harsh suspension
I get on a stock MXer or ADRed bike they are all mush to me ex-factory, so my suspension get’s tuned for me, does any really serious rider not do this?

Point 10- Land closures
I am heavily involved in this ATM about land closures locally, the compliants are not worried about rego etc(although it does get mentioned as an afterthought) but moreso noise, rubbish, parking of cars, Opening gates, riding on PP, speeds they ride at. Now many of these transgressors after doing a saturday survey recently are Registered bikes from interstate, so it applies to a cross-section and to be honest up here you see very few locals or interstae riding on crown/public lands on unrego bikes, it’s as far as the local committee can tell a furphy.

Point 12-torque.
You are kidding aren’t you, Mxers have generally more power, HP is a byproduct of torque, mine will out torque a 250F or a 350 anyday of the week.

Point 13-fuel range
Too much of a generalisation, some enduro bikes are coming out with rediculously small tanks pinched from the MX bikes they are derived from, besides some riders like myself and the groups I ride with somedays do only 30ks in 6 hours, we tend to leave big ks to the adv riders and firetrail kings who dice with the 4wds and farmers.

Point 14-maintenance.
I could say this of 250f riders, it’s what you as an individual accept, not for others to criticize or we’d all ride DR650s and the like. I personally accept a new topend at 80 hours as reasonable and 10 hours from my Trannie fluid. An XR650 rider would scoff at that, whereas a 250F rider would only dream of it.
It’ is neither right nor wrong it just is.

I agree we must be united and that means not dcreating internal divisions by condemnation but by offering assistance and support to all facets of our sport, to scoff at another lot is to be elitist and that is something I never ever thought we would degrade ourselves into becoming, but I guess it’s like the born again bikers riding harleys and chrome blingships amongst the roadset who don’t wave to sportsbikers because they feel superior.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Hatto wrote:

Quote:

Thought I’d have a rant this morning so

MX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.

I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.

Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.

No rego required so save money – crap- people spend $1200 on aftermarket pipe, this alone would pay for 3 years of rego

Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference

Suspension is better – not for the bush.

Cons
Won’t lug in S/t
Overheat
No button start
Loud
Against the law
Un-rego’d
Un-licensed
Un-insured
Harsh suspension
Will get riding areas closed down
Costly if you hurt someone else
No torque
Fuel range
Maintenance

The list goes on.
We all love this sport of ours and hope that we can do it until we have to give it away -lets not shorten that time by allowing the minorities to succeed.

We have to be united in our stand for support of our sport, but will never win or achieve this until we show that we are law abiding.

Wake up mx riders in the bush and do the right thing, before it’s to late, you will be the first people to whinge when it happens.

Rant over

Hatto

If I may Hatto I will address some of the misconceptions/generalisations in this rant of yours, but prior to this i will state that apparently REC REGO is being seriously considered by the authorities in NSW as we speak, now I know some of the purists on here argue against it, but to me that’s as good as my argument that Middle-aged wanna-bes should not be allowed to buy their first dirtbike until learning humility and respect for the sport.

Anyway.

point 1-Won’t lug in S/t,
Maybe a 250f won’t but an RM250/YZ250/KX250/250sx will hold a much lower RPM constant before flaming out than any 450 or 2504t. For that matter a 4504T Mxer will lug well enough, and if you are getting down that low maybe you need to look at skills improvement, no bike bar a trials bike is designed to be ridden at walking pace.

Point 2-overheat
True for some, false for many others, radiators are the same as are the waterpumps on most crossover engines, other factors may come into play, but I’ll tell you the KTM excs we ride with overheat more than the MX based mounts

Point 3- Button start??
Do I really need to say anything here Hatto?, see my point about middle-aged blokes for clarification

point 4- Loud
this is not a enduro v Mxer thing it’s a wanker v responsible rider thing, I will guarantee my MX based bike is quieter than anything here other than a stock piped DRZ.

Point 5-8 & 11
Agreed

Point 9-Harsh suspension
I get on a stock MXer or ADRed bike they are all mush to me ex-factory, so my suspension get’s tuned for me, does any really serious rider not do this?

Point 10- Land closures
I am heavily involved in this ATM about land closures locally, the compliants are not worried about rego etc(although it does get mentioned as an afterthought) but moreso noise, rubbish, parking of cars, Opening gates, riding on PP, speeds they ride at. Now many of these transgressors after doing a saturday survey recently are Registered bikes from interstate, so it applies to a cross-section and to be honest up here you see very few locals or interstae riding on crown/public lands on unrego bikes, it’s as far as the local committee can tell a furphy.

Point 12-torque.
You are kidding aren’t you, Mxers have generally more power, HP is a byproduct of torque, mine will out torque a 250F or a 350 anyday of the week.

Point 13-fuel range
Too much of a generalisation, some enduro bikes are coming out with rediculously small tanks pinched from the MX bikes they are derived from, besides some riders like myself and the groups I ride with somedays do only 30ks in 6 hours, we tend to leave big ks to the adv riders and firetrail kings who dice with the 4wds and farmers.

Point 14-maintenance.
I could say this of 250f riders, it’s what you as an individual accept, not for others to criticize or we’d all ride DR650s and the like. I personally accept a new topend at 80 hours as reasonable and 10 hours from my Trannie fluid. An XR650 rider would scoff at that, whereas a 250F rider would only dream of it.
It’ is neither right nor wrong it just is.

I agree we must be united and that means not dcreating internal divisions by condemnation but by offering assistance and support to all facets of our sport, to scoff at another lot is to be elitist and that is something I never ever thought we would degrade ourselves into becoming, but I guess it’s like the born again bikers riding harleys and chrome blingships amongst the roadset who don’t wave to sportsbikers because they feel superior.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Apparently my rebuttal to you Hatto got lost in an alternate universe (Micks version of events) so I will type it up again later.

[Mick DMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Quote:

Apparently my rebuttal to you Hatto got lost in an alternate universe (Micks version of events) so I will type it up again later.

Sorry I,ve got nothing :blush:

I have seen it happen in the past though and the post goes awol, maybe Chris could shed some light on it, being our resident IT nerd.

[simon burkeMember]

well ranted Hatto :cheer:

Bol :woohoo:

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Can’t be beggared typing it all out again , especially since I just went a round with a stark raving loony whinger anyway
Hatto wrote:

Quote:

Thought I’d have a rant this morning so

MX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.

I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.

Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.- Rec rego is the answer

Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference- up to 17 kilos between comparable models Hatto, huge difference if you ride with feeling

Suspension is better – not for the bush.One example SSS suspension on the MX yamahas is arguably the best ex-factory suspension ever, on a MX bike near you now

Cons
Won’t lug in S/tYou’re kidding me ain’t you hatto, are you talking 4T only, cause an rm250/Yz250 will drop the revs slow low that you can count the strokes, long after most enduros have flamed

Overheat- Mmm how so, usually the cooling systems are the same, advance curves and comp ratios may be different but in this area (very hot) let’s talk KTM EXCx and husaberg FE and several others.

No button start- Ok this is an advantage? it’s a nicety, but given the preference of either an E-start or kick only I’ll have the kicker, my batteries get low but not flat.

Loud- Mmm all 4Ts are loud, this is one of the major complaints we hear at the moment and after a rider check last weekend it was to a tee registered “trailbikes”, I’ll bet you a pound to a penny that unless you put forward a stock DRZ most 2T MXers will be heaps quieter.

Against the law-Agreed

Un-rego’d- should rec rego, but until then agreed

Un-licensed- agreed

Un-insured- see above comment

Harsh suspension-For me and many others all stock suspension is a joke so really moot unless you like riding a mushy

Will get riding areas closed down-ALL bikes are contributing to this, at the moment the place I work for is at the forfront of this problem in NSW, we have literally thousands of bikers in the region every weekend, and the main complaints
Noise NOISE NOISE
RUBBISH left behind
Parking on road verges in bad spots
Going onto PP and opening gates
The complainants don’t know what sort of bikes they are, what insurance is held, or who the riders are, the hate the NOISE, the continuous riding of the boundaries and the gates being opened and their land being crossed. They don’t come in and say “all these unregistered unlicenced Motocross riders are doing this (which isn’t true anyway), just “TRAILBIKES

Costly if you hurt someone else-yeah

No torque-Hatto you’re smarter than that, HP is a byproduct of torque, MX bikes have higher HP than enduro, no brainer

Fuel range- subjective, some enduro bikes are coming out qwith 8 litre tanks, and MXers with 8.5, so it’s not true, and actually irrelelvant to this argument anyway

Maintenance-let’s not go here, that’s a, personal thing Xr650 riders would spew at my maintenance being too much, I spew at 4504ts needing so much etc etc, it’s what you accept, not an argument against a certain style of bike

Hatto my problem with your rant is mainly I don’t agree (obviously) and you generalise too much and it’s too easy to refute what you say. This type of rant is dividing the sport, Us V MXers, great.
Now you may have got the idea it’s a hot topic for me, bloody oath, there are some lads & Lasses trying to get rec rego passed as we speak, and it’s looking good. There is a huge countermovement here in NSW north where ALL riders are banding together and asking some pretty serious questions at public meetings, and the council is trying to formulate a plan to help and define co-existance of the different interests.
The problem with some older blokes is they become “elitist” and believe it is only a pastime for those like themselves, they forget the younger crew or those who just want and deserve choice rather than put up with the mush that is offered under “enduro” bike guise.

Stick together, as divide & Conquer is what the gsme is.

I can keep going on cause we’ve spent the past 4 months gathering evidence for a management plan here and the results are not as people think, it’
s the “legal” mature riders who are causing the most negative publicity, a few kids on MXers are not spoken of, and usually they’re such a minority up here that no-one considers them worthy of special attention.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Hatto I may HAVE been a bit harsh, but to explain I am dealing with this as a point person for a riding mecca, and I believe it is a certaintype of person, not the bike selection.
I believe in your area it’s more bogans, these people I don’t consider bike riders anyway, it’s like the wise man said

NOT ALL BIKE RIDERS ARE DICKHEADS, BUT EVERY DICKHEAD RIDES A BIKE

and that my friend is where I believe the problems lays, the dickheads, and diskheads actons are indefensible.

But the bike itself has no say in who owns it.

So on the points you mention as applies to dickheads I will agree, for everyone else… I stand by mine

Bruce

[Bruce CurtisMember]

micknmeld wrote:

Quote:

It is a pity that it has come to this really. When we were kids we could ride in the bush,no worries. I am lucky to have private bush trails to ride and share with my kids. They love riding bush trails,we really need more recreational areas that family groups can enjoy riding in the bush as it is great fun to ride as a family and it also helps build riding skills you wont get on a MX track.

I agree Michael, and you make a very valid point about skillsets, I spent 10 years out of the bush and riding MX, Flattrack & road racing, Back in the bush I am next to useless, ever tried cornering in ST with one leg out turning with the rear laid over…..?? Mmm let’s see… Mmm it hurts alot.

Logs do not give you lift like an upramp, and trees are not as soft as tyre walls…

I sometime reckon I’ll never get the rythym for the bush right, it’s a completely different set of skills, even looking ahead and through corners is impossible.

Give us some bush to teach our kids and I’ll gladly pay a fee (nominal of course, after all I am a cheapskate)

[Craig HattonMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Quote:

Can’t be beggared typing it all out again , especially since I just went a round with a stark raving loony whinger anyway
Hatto wrote:

Quote:

Thought I’d have a rant this morning so

MX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.

I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.

Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.- Rec rego is the answer

Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference- up to 17 kilos between comparable models Hatto, huge difference if you ride with feeling

Suspension is better – not for the bush.One example SSS suspension on the MX yamahas is arguably the best ex-factory suspension ever, on a MX bike near you now

Cons
Won’t lug in S/tYou’re kidding me ain’t you hatto, are you talking 4T only, cause an rm250/Yz250 will drop the revs slow low that you can count the strokes, long after most enduros have flamed

Overheat- Mmm how so, usually the cooling systems are the same, advance curves and comp ratios may be different but in this area (very hot) let’s talk KTM EXCx and husaberg FE and several others.

No button start- Ok this is an advantage? it’s a nicety, but given the preference of either an E-start or kick only I’ll have the kicker, my batteries get low but not flat.

Loud- Mmm all 4Ts are loud, this is one of the major complaints we hear at the moment and after a rider check last weekend it was to a tee registered “trailbikes”, I’ll bet you a pound to a penny that unless you put forward a stock DRZ most 2T MXers will be heaps quieter.

Against the law-Agreed

Un-rego’d- should rec rego, but until then agreed

Un-licensed- agreed

Un-insured- see above comment

Harsh suspension-For me and many others all stock suspension is a joke so really moot unless you like riding a mushy

Will get riding areas closed down-ALL bikes are contributing to this, at the moment the place I work for is at the forfront of this problem in NSW, we have literally thousands of bikers in the region every weekend, and the main complaints
Noise NOISE NOISE
RUBBISH left behind
Parking on road verges in bad spots
Going onto PP and opening gates
The complainants don’t know what sort of bikes they are, what insurance is held, or who the riders are, the hate the NOISE, the continuous riding of the boundaries and the gates being opened and their land being crossed. They don’t come in and say “all these unregistered unlicenced Motocross riders are doing this (which isn’t true anyway), just “TRAILBIKES

Costly if you hurt someone else-yeah

No torque-Hatto you’re smarter than that, HP is a byproduct of torque, MX bikes have higher HP than enduro, no brainer

Fuel range- subjective, some enduro bikes are coming out qwith 8 litre tanks, and MXers with 8.5, so it’s not true, and actually irrelelvant to this argument anyway

Maintenance-let’s not go here, that’s a, personal thing Xr650 riders would spew at my maintenance being too much, I spew at 4504ts needing so much etc etc, it’s what you accept, not an argument against a certain style of bike

Hatto my problem with your rant is mainly I don’t agree (obviously) and you generalise too much and it’s too easy to refute what you say. This type of rant is dividing the sport, Us V MXers, great.
Now you may have got the idea it’s a hot topic for me, bloody oath, there are some lads & Lasses trying to get rec rego passed as we speak, and it’s looking good. There is a huge countermovement here in NSW north where ALL riders are banding together and asking some pretty serious questions at public meetings, and the council is trying to formulate a plan to help and define co-existance of the different interests.
The problem with some older blokes is they become “elitist” and believe it is only a pastime for those like themselves, they forget the younger crew or those who just want and deserve choice rather than put up with the mush that is offered under “enduro” bike guise.

Stick together, as divide & Conquer is what the gsme is.

I can keep going on cause we’ve spent the past 4 months gathering evidence for a management plan here and the results are not as people think, it’
s the “legal” mature riders who are causing the most negative publicity, a few kids on MXers are not spoken of, and usually they’re such a minority up here that no-one considers them worthy of special attention.

Hi Bruce
well put response, I am not trying to divide the sport in anyway, but the fact of the matter is that it is against the law to ride un-registered in the bush unless on private land and as a group/body/movement we cannot expect to influence or be taken seriously by the powers at be while doing so. Not all mx bush riders do the wrong thing and no doubt there are registered riders doing the wrong thing, but if everybody was registered it is one thing they can’t use against us any more.(take away their amunition and they cant fire the gun).

There are noise regulations and all bike should adhere – it again takes away the amunition. My 4T may be louder than your mx 2t, but mine is legal.(it may not be right, but it conforms with the law of the day)

Rec rego may be a good thing- I don’t know, but it is not here yet

Mx bikes are just that – mx, not trail orientated. If you want to spend money and time to convert it to a registerable trail weapon go right ahead, you then won’t be breaking the law.
Passion is great, and if mx bikes float your boat – great, but if you are riding that bike on gov’t land, you are not doing the sport you have so much passion for any favors.

Maybe my heading should have been “MX bikes in the bush, It’s illegal, why do people do it”

Nothing personnel here bruce, just my thoughts.

Hatto

[Craig HattonMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

Quote:

micknmeld wrote:

Quote:

It is a pity that it has come to this really. When we were kids we could ride in the bush,no worries. I am lucky to have private bush trails to ride and share with my kids. They love riding bush trails,we really need more recreational areas that family groups can enjoy riding in the bush as it is great fun to ride as a family and it also helps build riding skills you wont get on a MX track.

I agree Michael, and you make a very valid point about skillsets, I spent 10 years out of the bush and riding MX, Flattrack & road racing, Back in the bush I am next to useless, ever tried cornering in ST with one leg out turning with the rear laid over…..?? Mmm let’s see… Mmm it hurts alot.

Logs do not give you lift like an upramp, and trees are not as soft as tyre walls…

I sometime reckon I’ll never get the rythym for the bush right, it’s a completely different set of skills, even looking ahead and through corners is impossible.

Give us some bush to teach our kids and I’ll gladly pay a fee (nominal of course, after all I am a cheapskate)

+1, I would love the opportunity to be able to ride in the bush with my two boys, and hopefully one day I can.

hatto

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I agree, the only misconception I have allowed is yes I own a YZ250, but after searching and searching I finally found one, it’s the elusive last of the YZ250WRs Adr’d, bought it 3 years ago now, cause as a responsible man of the area, I must be seen to be doing the right thing, and have peace of mind as well, cause for me it would be embarassing to be caught and booked by my former workmates.

I love MX style power and handling moreso than enduro, it sits better with me, so after selling my KTM300 slush puppie with teeth, I searched the land high and low for a registerable MXer.

But not all have the patience or resources as I so and if there was Rec Rego availiable I would’ve bought an RM250 in a flash and converted it.

[RoyMember]

So basically what you’re saying Mr Blue is what people complain about is the factors that annoy them and more frequently they get annoyed the louder they complain. In your circumstance the issue is compounded by the fact that a lot of the people causing the issues aren’t even from your area. You can put up with a few locals annoying you as they generally contribute to the community in other ways. Outsiders don’t so lower tolerance.

I understand noise is a major issue. I was out at a mates place helping out the other day and the kids next door had a mx track set up. Now don’t get me wrong I love bikes but by the end of the day I could quite easily understand how people find the noise annoying. It is loud, monotonous and constant.

I would never complain if I moved there after them but if it was the other way around I reckon it would get to me and we’d have to sort out some kind of arrangement. And that’s coming from a bloke that understands the enjoyment you can get riding so imagine what people who see motorbikes as a dangerous sport for people with a death wish think.

I just re-read the posts. What it comes down to is common courtesy and abiding by the laws. The number of people riding and the lack of available spots to do it legally is leading to some people not doing either. It is still not an excuse. Is there a tendancy for people who ride unregistered bikes on public land to be more annoying. They are certainly not going to hang around any longer than they have to and they will go anywhere if it means not getting caught. As such they are not doing the cause any good in a time when there are already a lot of other issues that need addressing.

I totally agree that we need to be united. We are already a minority and we all know how much say minorities have at the end of the day. What is required to get everyone on side is a solution and if we don’t prepare one, one will be forced on us. Not sure what it is yet but it may well involve us putting our hands in our pockets and forking out the hard earned for the rights to ride in certain areas.

Anyway I am rambling here and putting out words as they come to mind. Need to focus a bit and maybe come back to it.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

The council here is full of bikers, Road, Dirt, Track, and race officials and Dads & Mums of riders, the Mayor owns three bikes, the GM a few, the Risk manager and his family, most of the outdoor workers, even a compliance Officer who had to fine bike riders for noise offences is a lifelong enduro rider.

The council has welcomed bikes for years and continues to do so, confrimed yesterday by Our GM in the local press, but we need rules and boundaries. And that my friends is the hard part.

Some farmers don’t want visitors, Businesses do, Some newly arrived treechangers are making us enforce state laws that are frankly draconian, it’s a bloody mess and it would be too easy to walk away if one wasn’t passioniate about this, if it was canoes or 4wders I’d say “ban the barstards”.

But it’s not it’s my lifelong passion so if I get involved and still remain reasonably neutral while trying to find common ground between the Doers and the Donters maybe we can win this one and show the others how it could be.

But if we run into overwhelming opposition we’re stuffed

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