S/S oil filters for Honda Yamaha Kawa Suzuki

[DeanMember]

Moto wrote:

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slug wrote:

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Ollie wrote:

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if you put a straight bit of plastic tube over the nozzle of your air gun block off the end of the tube,then put a small slit in the tube,this will allow the pressurised air to exit at 90 degrees to the tube, That would workB)

ollie

Without being able to see the size of the hole of the filter, would it be possible to also use a more maleable metal tube such a copper or maybe brakeline (bundy tube)to achieve a small radius bend, allowing access to the upper areas of the filter?

I don’t have an ultrasonic cleaning bath, but I may develop a rock n roll bath. This would involve putting the filter in a container of solvent and placing the container adjacent to my stereo speakers. I would turn up the volume control to “11” and play really loud rock n roll music. The music would setup sound wave pulses into the filter and solvent, hence shaking the shit out of the particle and forcing them to fall out of the mesh.

Sounds great, but in re-enforces that a paper filter is much easier to deal with!

yes but less effective less oil flow less filterability less economical less bling. Oem use paper filters because thats how they make money,50 cent part sell at retail for $15 = big re-occurring profits simple shit really.
Ollie

[Nick GilbertMember]

stainless filter… ok. wash in kero… easy. save money… good!
im running one of ollie’s filters in my wr, clean it out with every oil change, no dramas what so ever. haven’t used compressed air once.

[Anonymous]

I think that in reality using the stainless filter is prefectly fine and won’t be a problem. However, saying that a paper filter is less effective is not an accurate statement. Some of the best filtration systems in the world use paper filters.

[GregMember]

I didnt want this to to be a debate, I was trying to ask a question to which I still dont feel I have a satisfactory answer. Now the debate has headed this way I ask this question, if paper filters are less effective or beneficial for my bike wouldnt manufactures put stainless ones in, charge a little more and regain the loss of sales through selling more bikes (because they are a better product) KTM owners use this as their theory regarding KTMs as the KTM as better components that dont need replacing as often as Japanese bikes but cost more in the first place.

Big engines far more expensive than our bike engines use stainless steel screens before the filters to remove larger contaminants before paper filters. Also the screens are normally flat say like a screen door so you can clean it without contaminating the screen. Finner filtration is then handled by the paper filters be them cartridge style or spin on.

TB

[Anonymous]

Paper filters can filter better than SS ones, there is no doubt about it. The real question is: Does the paper filter that we buy for our bikes filter better than a SS one?

Until we have some tests to prove otherwise we won’t know for sure.

[DeanMember]

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Paper filters can filter better than SS ones, there is no doubt about it. The real question is: Does the paper filter that we buy for our bikes filter better than a SS one?

Until we have some tests to prove otherwise we won’t know for sure.

correct in all of the above, But I will say this:

The s/s filters take out particles down to 35 micron,pretty bloody small.They have a much higher flow rate than paper (over 200%) as claimed by most manufacturers. we use stainless steel filters in our hydraulic systems as well as fibre ones onboard ships.They both work well As previously stated OEM supply paper filters because of the dollar factor both theirs and their retailers interests.its not just a few dollars more it is probably hundreds of dollars more over the lifetime of the bike. There is no substitute for running Quality clean oil and filters and I reckon if you had a servicable filter you would service it without saying to yourself oh heck I replaced this paper filter last oil change and I only done 500km on it,she will be right Ill do it next time:unsure: I find the cleaning the stainless filter very easy never had any issues. Oh well thats me done ive got a headache.

ollie

[john pavkovicMember]

Hey Ollie,

If you have any filters left for the DRZ 400 i would love to grab one

Cheers
Holeshot

[DeanMember]

holeshot wrote:

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Hey Ollie,

If you have any filters left for the DRZ 400 i would love to grab one

Cheers
Holeshot

No probs Mate I have some for the mighty Banana PM me your details

cheers Ollie

[john pavkovicMember]

Cool Ollie, How do i PM you???:unsure:

[DeanMember]

holeshot wrote:

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Cool Ollie, How do i PM you???:unsure:

middle Button to the left the one that says PM:laugh:

insert arrow pointing left here:laugh:

ollie

[john pavkovicMember]

Yeh i thought so but when i was reading the thread there were no options under your profile.

Not hard to tell that im a tradie :blush:

Well its done now and ill know for the next time:P :laugh:

[Anonymous]

Just as an exercise in the shed, I wanted to see if it was possible. I worked a piece of small diameter copper tube into a tight 90 degree radius, being careful not to pinch the it. It was pretty easy. Not having my filter to measure the internal hole, I assumed 20mm. I cut down the bend and this will easily fit in a 20mm hole, probably even 15mm hole, allowing compressed air to get to the upper parts of the filter.

A small offcut of airline hose attaches it to my blower nozzle. It may need clamps, maybe not. I haven’t tried it. The hole in the end of the tube can be either flattened or soldered, to reduce the aperture and hence increase the air pressure.

[DeanMember]

yep Nigel that would probably work.With the honda filter I would also suggest that the rubber O ring be popped out to give you a lot more clearance 10mm (with o-ring to 15mm without o-ring)I would also make the bend as flat as possible as the clearance is only about 6mm and also bend it up more than 90 degrees angle. Pretty easy;)

ollie

[Nick AgainMember]

Ollie, dont s’pose you can corner one of those S/S filters for my Husky?

[GregMember]

Thanks Nigel, the company I work for also co owns Fleetguard one of the largest filtration companies in the world, we have techs that work on filtration issues for all sorts of engines from single cylinder thru to 3500hp, 78 litre 16 turbo engines.

I asked them about cleaning the S/S filter and told Paul of our debate that had started here, he now has my S/S filter. One thing of interest his he said the oil system on a bike would be designed with the restriction offered by a paper filter, where hydraulic systems prodomantly use S/S filters where filtration requirements aren’t as critical yet flow is, he said the bypass valves and pressure regulators that some bikes would require the correct filter to be used as it was designed, he pointed out that some bikes have S/S filters standard. (TTR 250 he said :huh: ) Anyone know if thats right?

Anyways they are looking into cleaning solvents (better than kero for us to use) he said that the upper edge could be hard to clean, he said the quailty was really good and was going to do look into it some more once I give him a paper filter
as well.

TB

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