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September 10, 2009 at 12:04 am #151856
Anonymouschris72a wrote:
Quote:Mr Blue wrote:Quote:The wrongness is that they are Homer Simpsons to my Frank Grimes…Pure greed dear Christopher, greed pure and simple.
BC
Just say what if they are professional people mid to late 40’s have worked 16 hours a day for the past 20 years saved their pennies paid exorbitant amounts of taxes, and finally have enough to buy their dream car, I don’t begrudge anybody anything as long as the have put in the hard yards they deserve it. I still can’t afford a WR450 so I’m a long way off.
I totally agree. If you work hard to have a good job and can afford these things why shouldn’t you have them. It’s the jealous people that wish they made more of their life than object to it
Harsh but true (not aimed at anyone here by the way:unsure:).
Then again, my Mum and Dad have just given me some money so I’ve just placed the order for my new Lambo
September 10, 2009 at 12:30 am #151776Moto wrote:
Quote:I logged onto this thread seeing that there was 20 replies. Straight away I knew it would be full of shite! 2or 3 replies and I may have had a straight answer, but 20, that can only be caused by a big pile of BS, and started by TB no lessSorry Moto Lets revisit the original question ok?
‘Hey I saw 20 nice cars driving on a road near the central coast who knows where they were going”??
Maybe its me but that’s pretty random, maybe next weeks winning lotto numbers, or the drivers mothers maiden name maybe should be asked, could be easier :laugh:
Sorry Moto I dont know where they went or where they came from mate
By the way I begrudge no one anything they have, good luck to them, and I think Micks reference to penis size in this thread is from his personal experience
TB
September 10, 2009 at 1:05 am #151863Chances are it was a club meet but I wouldn’t know which one.
My uncle drives one of the more expensive cars listed and I would call him greedy and tight but I credit him for what he’s achieved. What’s wrong with having the drive to succeed and create wealth as long as it is honest and not unfairly to the detriment of others?
September 10, 2009 at 1:30 am #151867Sorry but I’ma socialist at heart hardened by several “born to the manor” 2nd and 3rd generation wealthy bosses who have uttered things whilst in my company (thiking I was one of them undoubtedly) like “well what’s wrong with $450 perweek, gee it’s plenty to get along on” and this is in sawmilling were blokes work there guts out for generations of labourers and at the end get fired because their bodies are too buggered to perform any longer. They started at 15 give 40 hours of gut and back breaking physical work to the employer and almost to a man get screwed.
Maybe the other industries aren’t like this but this was harsh reality in this and many other parts of the regional areas, and while no-one ties you down, the education levels were not there for many to make the change, luckily for I I was able to re-educate myself before i ended up like so so many of them. Then to add insult to injury the only thing they knew how to do was taken away by a Lobor governement in the mid to late ninties appeasing the voting public in faraway cities who had pre-concieved media driven ideas about timber workers. The only time we saw a late model Audi or Porsche was when a bosses son drove it to the home town after his last yachting trip, and how hard much work he had to do sailing around the south pacific, and if you evere read this Mr Bob E yes I mean you.
I begrudge no-one the spoils of hard work, but hard work and effort don’t always get rewarded in our current system and if you believe it does, well the world I’ve lived in just ain’t like that.
And long hours doesn’t mean hard work it’s just long hours, crikey i done long hours 80-90 hours weeks but they were a doddle just time. Hard work leaves you physically and /or mentally drained no matter how long you’re at it.I think australia is becoming more Americanised in this area where those who have often get it off the sweat and effort off others who reap very little of the profit and the reaper then shows it off Ostentiously.
And Moto personally I don’t lust after any of those cars just cars you buy, what personal input do you have in building or making it your own, just me I guess I like to use something i have made my own through input or engineering, but they still look nice cruising the promenades…
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Byt the way this is not an aggrssive post just tsome of the views of a lifelong Fabian Socialist, who loves his countrymen and wishes better for all, not just the few.
Bruce C.
A dinosaur in philosphySeptember 10, 2009 at 1:59 am #151871
AnonymousHard work is more than just physical work. Hard work is striving to achieve a goal and putting the time and effort in to get to that goal. We live in a highly devloped country that offers some of the best education and benefits of any country in the world.
Personal experiences and exceptions to the rule aside, there is no reason why anyone in this day and age can’t educate themsleves (or not if they choose not to) and achieve good things if they really want it. A lot of wealthy executives have made sacrifices to get where they are, this is often not seen or realised by lamen.
There are the exceptions where people grow up with a spoon in their mouth and also exceptions where honest people work hard all their lives to no real end and still struggle by, but the fact remains, you (as in Australians) have some of the best chances out of of the entire human species of doing well.
Cars, like any other superficial object are all personal preference. I’ve had high powered cars I’ve poured thousends into but still prefer, and aspired to own, the likes of the cars mentioned before, although I will likely never own any one of them. I’ve worked hard, have a good job and still can’t afford it, but that’s life. I had the opportunity to earn lots more money but it would mean sacrifices I wasn’t wlling to make. My decision.
September 10, 2009 at 2:02 am #151864Trailboss wrote:
Quote:By the way I begrudge no one anything they have, good luck to them, and I think Micks reference to penis size in this thread is from his personal experienceTB
Personal experience…..? And my toys of choice are an 8 year old XR650….similar to yours in a round about way,TB and a 13 year old Nissan Patrol,somehow I don’t think I am using either as a penis extension.
September 10, 2009 at 2:06 am #151876micknmeld wrote:
Quote:Trailboss wrote:Quote:By the way I begrudge no one anything they have, good luck to them, and I think Micks reference to penis size in this thread is from his personal experienceTB
Personal experience…..? And my toys of choice are an 8 year old XR650….similar to yours in a round about way,TB and a 13 year old Nissan Patrol,somehow I don’t think I am using either as a penis extension.
Sadly I think both are for you Mick :laugh:
Oh and your bike is your bike is nothing like mine, mines heaps better and faster and dearer for me to make up for other things :laugh:
TB
September 10, 2009 at 2:20 am #151878Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Oh and your bike is your bike is nothing like mine, mines heaps better and faster and dearer for me to make up for other things :laugh:TB
Your bike may have cost 2 and a half times more than mine,but I am pretty sure it aint 2 and a half times faster. :laugh:
September 10, 2009 at 2:27 am #151883micknmeld wrote:
Quote:Trailboss wrote:Quote:Oh and your bike is your bike is nothing like mine, mines heaps better and faster and dearer for me to make up for other things :laugh:TB
Your bike may have cost 2 and a half times more than mine,but I am pretty sure it aint 2 and a half times faster. :laugh:
Before you got all super defenceive there old man, should have noticed that I was having a go at my self in that sentance. Now down to the facts, my bike is not two and a half times dearer then yours. It is also not two and half time faster than your bike (hell how did we get into this) But it is faster than you bike and thats important. I am two and half times faster then you but and thats important as well :laugh:
Shit this is easier then shooting fish in a barrel
TB :laugh:
September 10, 2009 at 2:36 am #151875Moto wrote:
Quote:Hard work is more than just physical work. Hard work is striving to achieve a goal and putting the time and effort in to get to that goal. We live in a highly devloped country that offers some of the best education and benefits of any country in the world.Personal experiences and exceptions to the rule aside, there is no reason why anyone in this day and age can’t educate themsleves (or not if they choose not to) and achieve good things if they really want it. A lot of wealthy executives have made sacrifices to get where they are, this is often not seen or realised by lamen.
There are the exceptions where people grow up with a spoon in their mouth and also exceptions where honest people work hard all their lives to no real end and still struggle by, but the fact remains, you (as in Australians) have some of the best chances out of of the entire human species of doing well.
Cars, like any other superficial object are all personal preference. I’ve had high powered cars I’ve poured thousends into but still prefer, and aspired to own, the likes of the cars mentioned before, although I will likely never own any one of them. I’ve worked hard, have a good job and still can’t afford it, but that’s life. I had the opportunity to earn lots more money but it would mean sacrifices I wasn’t wlling to make. My decision.
Yes those who have had the opportunity always use that similar if not direct argument, but there are many exceptions. Executive often are appointed by way of what board they are already on, at that level cronyism isd more rife than at middle-junior management level where references and skills are more important, now i am actually staing this from personal observation as I have worked my way from one whose opportunity was not realised at a younger age due to many factors outside of personal control, and yes those whom strive and work cereberally hard, if you notice Moto i said Physically and MENTALLY meaning both. I am not a reverse snob just see life as unjust more oft than not, talent alone will get you nowhere, Talent and hardwork CAN but don’t assure sucess, but priveledge WILL assure financial sucess almost undoubtably. I have been lucky enough to have been on both sides of this fence, working jobs that take a definite mental and physical toughness to go back to each day just to survive for sweet fanny adams in return and others where you can’t honestly believe someone pays you big $$ for what you do, until you become disgusted with the hypocrisy and self promotion around you you leave and have to cleanse yourself of that by finding yourself in helping other less fortunate, and then you can go off and rape and pillage again.
It’s not a big deal the world is full of hypocrisy, all of us are hypocrites, it’s just were we draw our own personal line at, and my line may not be the same as anothers…so be it, personal decision.
too many judge sucess by the car you drive and your postcode, I judge it on your funeral day or in times of duress at the quality of person who stands by your side as to who you are to them and what you have done to gain their loyalty, your family your children, your willingness to stand up for what you believe is right to your own personal detriment, those whom came before us to fight for those opportunities that you and so many others, myself included enjoy, and actually become arrogant enough to believe WE fought and worked hard for. The fuedal system is slowly but surely becoming staedfast in it’s dominance of society dividends again and this time it is not through blood letting as such but economic disparities. There is a story of two tribes and anology to human developement from mans origins that is half fact/half philosphy and i worry that the wrong tribe will destroy all that is truly right before the altrustic tribe can regain the influence again.
It all boils down to an age old struggle between societial rights and individual wishes.
I still because of my burnt Psyche view all porshe’ and Audi TT owners with a high degree of cynicism as I have been privy to some of their thoughts and views, and it ain’t pretty inside some of those heads.
BC
September 10, 2009 at 2:37 am #151886And arguing with you TB is like trying to teach a pig to sing. :laugh:
September 10, 2009 at 2:53 am #151889
Anonymousi often skim over other peoples posts, but i always stop and read mr blues.
he is a good manSeptember 10, 2009 at 3:02 am #151894champo35 wrote:
Quote:i often skim over other peoples posts, but i always stop and read mr blues.
he is a good manI concure :cheer:
September 10, 2009 at 3:08 am #151890micknmeld wrote:
Quote:And arguing with you TB is like trying to teach a pig to sing. :laugh:Nice :laugh:
TB
September 10, 2009 at 3:10 am #151897Trailboss wrote:
Quote:micknmeld wrote:Quote:And arguing with you TB is like trying to teach a pig to sing. :laugh:Nice :laugh:
TB
It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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