The hardest way possible/impossible

[GregMember]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFVgEIlknuI

Whats with the noise in the wr is making as he has so much fun :huh:

TB

[alanMember]

maybe not so much fun by the look of that :blush: sounds crook hay

[MalMember]

It did sound a bit ordinary all day. But it is a WR and Big Hol liked to rev it.

If you look hard you can see the bent bars. He started the day with them slightly bent and then had moment early in the ride and rode the rest of the day with really bent bars. Top effort I rekon.

[GregMember]

I was asked these questions today when some of students saw the site, regarding this thread?

A ) Would these guys be better suited to trials bikes?

B ) Wouldn’t they be better of with trials tyres and getting more traction with torque rather then reving and spinning?

IF someone that was there has an answer I will show the students tomorrow

TB

[Dwayne OMember]

:woohoo:
Our mate Murph sure puts on a classic ride:blink:

I still have nightmares from the Murph`sBerg ride I did a few months back:laugh:

Nice pics & awsome vids there Boyz;)

[GregMember]

EAGLE`02 wrote:

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:woohoo:
Our mate Murph sure puts on a classic ride:blink:

I still have nightmares from the Murph`sBerg ride I did a few months back:laugh:

Nice pics & awsome vids there Boyz;)

Sorry Beagle but didnt you go home halfway through again :laugh:

Ok I am sorry couldnt help myself, alright Murphs rides are a little different

TB

[Dwayne OMember]

YEAH, YEAH,,, I left the ride from the Gap Servo,,,
BUT

That was always the plan from the week before the Murph`sBerg:P I had other engagements on that afternoon;)
So ya can`t have that one as another pisstake:)

Novice was awfully glad that I was leaving at lunch that ride:laugh: He was SPENT before the last three hills:woohoo:

Now Go Away :laugh:

[GregMember]

EAGLE`02 wrote:

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YEAH, YEAH,,, I left the ride from the Gap Servo,,,
BUT

That was always the plan from the week before the Murph`sBerg:P I had other engagements on that afternoon;)
So ya can`t have that one as another pisstake:)

Novice was awfully glad that I was leaving at lunch that ride:laugh: He was SPENT before the last three hills:woohoo:

Now Go Away :laugh:

Ha ha thanks for that

TB

[DeanMember]

Ha Ha onya Mal:laugh: nice face plant there by the way

Ollie

[Anonymous]

Trailboss wrote:

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I was asked these questions today when some of students saw the site, regarding this thread?

A ) Would these guys be better suited to trials bikes?

yes, but I don’t own a trials bike, I like to be more versatile, I like racing, I like to sit down in the corners, 2 fuel stops are plenty for me, enduro bikes are easier to rego and I made it on my existing equipment.

I have actually done a trials event on my race bike. Surprised how well it went.

My family did own a trials bike for a while (TY). I would not like to ride this bike at speed. The high speed handling over unseen obstacles would be very scary due to its lack of caster and suspension damping.

I would consider taking my wife’s Yamaha TTR230A (low powered trail bike for learners and smaller riders). It climbs hills very well due to its controllable power and low height. However, I would be concerned riding it at speed in such trails. I’m afraid that I may get my feet broken in bottom outs, ruts and by rocks due to its low foot peg height. Plus I would be giving the motor a very hard time.

If I had a trials bike with rego, I would definatly take it next time and try it out

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B ) Wouldn’t they be better of with trials tyres and getting more traction with torque rather then reving and spinning?

Yes, but due to the dryness, many hills had a slippery layer of loose dirt/dust on them. So you have to spin that off to get to the grippy stuff (might be my MX background coming through). Unlike trials riders, I didn’t walk the sections first. I rode up the hills and made decisions on the fly. Hence the untidy attacks.

I have used trials tyres before at Hillsbourgh quarry (after a dirttrack meet). I found that on the tacky drying clay, I had heaps of grip, sometimes a little too much for the race engine. I have seen trials tyres used in SX with limited success.

Trials tyres work best with low pressures. However, to run these pressures, you really need to run them tubeless so you don’t tear the valve out of the tube due to slip between tyre and wheel. To run tubeless tyres you really need wheels designed for them. To allow flex over contours, trials tyres also have less structure and therefore are not as resistant to damage.

I also get the impression that trials riders tend to rev the bike as much as we do however have more delicate clutches and clutch control.

Maybe I should fit a trials tyre and give it a go? do you think it would be better than the flogged out retread i was running.

trials bike suspension would be better for grip and control in those situations. I was running the set up I used the previous weekend at Freeflight MX park. Too slow in retraction and extension. thus the bike suspension was pushing the bike frame away from the small obsticles rather than maintaining a smooth projectory

Moto would be the man in the know as has done both kinds of riding.

[MalMember]

Trailboss wrote:

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I was asked these questions today when some of students saw the site, regarding this thread?

A ) Would these guys be better suited to trials bikes?
Probably. But they would want one with a 500+ four stroke engine and 300mm of suspension travel. And when/if they get a trials bike ARDed in Australia they will sell like hot cakes. I’m still going to one at the end of the year though (for use on private property)

B ) Wouldn’t they be better of with trials tyres and getting more traction with torque rather then reving and spinning?
[color=][/color]I think trials tyres on enduro bikes looks a liitle wrong. The rocky hills we rode up maybe suited to a trials tyre but I still made it up most of them with carfull use of the throttle and clutch. Some guys believe more revs = more traction. They usually dig holes. You’ll see in some of the videos that Murph is trying to stop the high rev guys from doing it and clam them down. And a 200 2t has no torque to speak of really. While son of murph revs the little 200, I have noticed that he maitains as much momentum as he can to limit wheel spin.
A trials trye is great on rocks (wet or dry). Put one on loose dusty tracks or mud and I think you worse off than a knobby.

IF someone that was there has an answer I will show the students tomorrow

TB

[MalMember]

Ollie wrote:

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Ha Ha onya Mal:laugh: nice face plant there by the way

Ollie

Thanks Ollie
I had to dive into the leafy stuff to avoid hitting a big rock or breaking a leg. It was a pretty soft landing.

[Anonymous]

from that video mal. i wish you did have less grip. your husky agrees with me too

[murph the surfMember]

The more challenging the ride the more fun it is:woohoo:
So long as the hill is makeable:unsure:
These hills were, well border line anyway:ohmy:
Cheers:cheer:
Murph

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I ran a Pirelli MT43 on the rear of my 300EXC for 8 months, i will be honest enough to say it gives much better traction on everything wet or dry other than grass. Monos with no effort, hillclimbing made me look good (and that takes some doing too) but corners at speed like a hippo on XTC, braking was abismal and to be honest didn’t suit my riding style cause after all i am a throttle jockey from the 70s and 80s I turn and steer from the rear, lightswitch power is what i understand. It also played havoc with my steering angle because of the 100% profile and the bike would tuck under everywhere, but on those slow technical rides it was like cheating.
Two of my riding mates still run them and love them, and i agree with a previous posterer, we ride similar stuff to that Murph and the largest bikes are 300cc 2Ts, in fact the quickest I’ve seen is Robo on his YZ125wr thorugh the ugly stuff.

BC

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