Time for our sport to mature and take control

[Peter HornMember]

One theme that is missing here is the shrinking areas to ride with the same or incerased rider numbers which adds to any impact we might have. I also think that the 4WDs that get on our tracks stuff them heaps worse than we do.
Dungog was an awesome place to ride till the 4WDs arrived. Strip Rd was a leafy flat track that could be done incredibly quickly and was heaps of fun(especially on those old drum break Huskies that lost all breaking ability with the first drop of water, man they were fast!! :ohmy: ). Then the 4WDers found it, we had erosion mounds within a couple of years and then 20 to 30 metre long bog holes where the 4WDs would try out there mud driving ability. It’s now crap and hard work to ride in the wet.
Jeez, I sould like a whinging old fart…..

[scott bockingMember]

The 4wds screw it up for the dirt bikes and the dirt bikes scare the horses. The horse hoofs chew it up for the MTB’s. The bushwalkers can’t hear the MTB’s coming and the bird watchers wish the bushwalkers would stand still.
We can’t point the finger at other users, what we need is inclusive regulation and designation of specific area so that we can all peruse our passions.

STM

[dennis da menaceMember]

singletrackmind wrote:

Quote:

The 4wds screw it up for the dirt bikes and the dirt bikes scare the horses. The horse hoofs chew it up for the MTB’s. The bushwalkers can’t hear the MTB’s coming and the bird watchers wish the bushwalkers would stand still.
We can’t point the finger at other users, what we need is inclusive regulation and designation of specific area so that we can all peruse our passions.

STM

aint that the truth :laugh: :laugh:

well put STM

[Peter HornMember]

Yeh, you Gents are right, just my scientific mind sticking my neck out for me, if we don’t provide a unified front we are buggered.

[Peter HornMember]

Who else made it to the NSW MCC workshop on the 23rd?
I was busy running around doing stuff and didn’t end up meeting any OB members.

[Christopher BurnsMember]

I was in Cambodia at the time (only got back in yesterday) and could not make the first one but I am going to the second one.
There were some members from a couple of other Dual Sport/Dirt bike forums as well.
I would appreciate any feedback you could give Iva, either positive or negative and I will pass it on.
CJ

Iva wrote:

Who else made it to the NSW MCC workshop on the 23rd?
I was busy running around doing stuff and didn’t end up meeting any OB members.

[Christopher BurnsMember]

Rec rego is not very far away.
We have been working closely with Dept of Premiers and Cabinet, NPWS, RTA and MAA and we have an in principle agreement with DPC.
Moves are also afoot to fix the CTP in NSW.
The audit by Ernst and Young found that for every dollar paid in by car drivers, 50c went out in claims.
For bike riders, every dollar in had 23c in claims going out so we are getting screwed.
This should change in the next couple of months.

Letter from MCCofNSW released 19 April 2011
Delegates,
I wish to inform you that in response to work that we have been putting in with the Premiers Department, we have an in principle agreement from the RTA, MAA, NPWS, Lands Department and the Premiers Department for Recreational Registration in NSW. We await Ministerial sign-off, but we understand that this will be forthcoming in the weeks ahead.

The basics of this deal include the following:

A yearly price of around $120
45 days a year riding.
CTP included in the price.
Part of the fee will be used for dedicated tracks and facilities, as well as rehabilitation of environmentally sensitive areas.

Obviously, there is much more to it than this, but this is good news and is supported by the industry through the FCAI.

Regards,
Rob Colligan
Chairman
MCC of NSW

Any queries post away.
CJ

[alanMember]

very interesting like the idear of cheaper green slips we already new we were getting ripped of.i will be staying with full rego but often ride on the road.

[AlexMember]

Good news that. After so many years of talk of Rec Rego, the proof for many will be in the final word from the powers that are and when I have paid the $120 and have the rego papers in my hands….

[GregMember]

It’s only my opinion but if it’s introduced it will be a day to remember, the start of the end of our sport
Only my opinion

BTW how do they do if you haven’t ridden 46 days?

I couldn’t ride Clarence with it, or Capertee, couldn’t ride Orange, couldn’t ride the Watagans well couldn’t ride any of them legally with rec ergo as all have sections where you travel on some sort of a road all dirt but a road even if only for a km so how does it work, transport to the edge of the forest?

Could Boony ride to the berry patch I don’t think so It involves transporting doesn’t it?

We need cheaper green skips it’s proven we are get ripped off, why not do tha and full rego would be cheaper and we could legally ride all areas and can’t get booked transporting a dirt road between singles

No arguing not fighting just asking and giving an opinion

Anything cheaper as far as rego is good but we need to protect ourselves and our areas

TB

[AlexMember]

Yes that’s all possible. I can only look to an example where RR appears/appeared to work – Vic.
From what I could tell RR had no effect on those with Full rego.
Would be nice if they “fix” our Full rego system/costs here in NSW but …… l don’t see that happening. The boffins look toward other states for case studies and a system that’s been tested I guess. They look to be offering a choice. Full rego, full pay or restricted rego and slightly reduced pay. “They” win both ways.
The advantage I see is choice at least.
I’ll tell you that I will probably stick to Full. But if my circumstances and riding areas were different, I’d save a buck on RR and take the risk for some transport sections.

[RoyMember]

It’s my understanding that in victoria rec rego lets you ride on some roads but not main roads. I’m guessing this means you could ride on dirt roads in the forests but are probably banned from most/all tar roads. It would be good to get some clarification.

[alanMember]

rec rego must mean you can ride on dirt roads in forests in victoria because there not allowed of the road

[Scott SouthwellMember]

CJ the bastard wrote:

Rec rego is not very far away.
We have been working closely with Dept of Premiers and Cabinet, NPWS, RTA and MAA and we have an in principle agreement with DPC.
Moves are also afoot to fix the CTP in NSW.
The audit by Ernst and Young found that for every dollar paid in by car drivers, 50c went out in claims.
For bike riders, every dollar in had 23c in claims going out so we are getting screwed.
This should change in the next couple of months.

Letter from MCCofNSW released 19 April 2011
Delegates,
I wish to inform you that in response to work that we have been putting in with the Premiers Department, we have an in principle agreement from the RTA, MAA, NPWS, Lands Department and the Premiers Department for Recreational Registration in NSW. We await Ministerial sign-off, but we understand that this will be forthcoming in the weeks ahead.

The basics of this deal include the following:

A yearly price of around $120
45 days a year riding.
CTP included in the price.
Part of the fee will be used for dedicated tracks and facilities, as well as rehabilitation of environmentally sensitive areas.

Obviously, there is much more to it than this, but this is good news and is supported by the industry through the FCAI.

Regards,
Rob Colligan
Chairman
MCC of NSW

Any queries post away.
CJ

CJ, is there any chance you could post up or point us to the FULL details of what has actually been proposed. All we seem to know is there is a push for a rec rego scheme and most seem to believe it will be the same as in Victoria. From some of the basic details you have posted this doesn’t seem the case. The 45 days riding for instance. Are these set riding days or does the riders get to decide what day they ride and if so who is counting the days?

There still seems to be confusion about where we can and can’t ride on rec rego. Will it be clearly defined where a rec rego bike can ride? Again more details of what has been proposed needed. It seems even in Victoria this still causes confusion and there are grey area’s in the law.

Will the rec rego be for all bikes or only those that have ADR compliance? I believe in Victoria (which really is the test case for this legislation) there is talk in the future of ruling non ADR bike out of the rec rego scheme. This has come about from people flouting the laws and not fitting proper lighting systems to MX bikes.

I would like to see a lot more details on the proposal including how the laws will be enforced.

[Adrian SnowdenMember]

Rec rego in NSW will be a disaster, nothing government gets involved in ever works properly and you can only imagine the cock up of system a government committee will make of this. Your 45 days will probably allocated on a random draw to one of 3 dssignated areas located at the furthest point in the state they can find from your house.I have had to jump through ridiculous requirements to keep my firearms but the illegal gun holders are still shooting each other. Rec rego also won’t fix the complaints about bike riders generated by the likes of the littel shitheads down the road who ride unregistered unlicenced and with no protective gear or mufflers around the area. In my opinion full registration with compulsary castration of non registered riders who take their motocross bikes out in the bush will fix the problem. Rego is cheap compared to the costs of other sports. I am personally sick of seeing irresponsible shitheads without rego or proper thought for others causing carnage and destroying my access to riding areas. I do however appreciate the great income they provide me from having to x ray the up &@$&;/ body parts when they comeoff second best.

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