Time for our sport to mature and take control

[Rod WalkerMember]

Aaron wrote:

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The third party insurance is the only real issue I can see with a MX bike in the bush. As far as safety is concerned apart from increased visibility of a front light a MX bike is just as safe to ride on single trails etc. The current RMX 450 fixes that issue though.

Aaron for Prime Minister.

[Adrian LeeMember]

With rec reg down here you still must have a headlight,tail light working horn and a left hand mirror. thats whats checked when you take your bike to vic roads.

we have been stopped by police in the bush and all they worry about is headlight,number plate and your licence.

[Mick PilgrimMember]

In the last few days around the Central Coast while driving in my car (during school hols) i have seen at least a dozen bikes (unregistered motocross etc) riding along in the traffic as if they own the roads.

These days the kids dont seem to give a s**t. If the cops do see them they have little chance of being caught.
I think a lot of it has to with irresponsible parenting these days as the kids are not being supervised.

We are not going to stop this sort of thing from happening. :angry:

It seems to be the way society is headed these days.

my 2c

Mickp

[MalMember]

I’ll vote for rec rego. :woohoo:

I can’t see how it will be the beginning of the end of our sport. The boneheaded, rednecks on MX/thumpers riding around the streets will always do it regardless if rec rego is available. They are the ones giving us a bad name. The guys that prefer to ride MX bikes as trail bikes are currently doing it illegally and rec rego would allow them to ride legally.

I would rec rego my ADRed bike as I don’t ride on tar roads and would save around $300 (a few tyres right there). Also I could rec rego my partners bike and she could come out riding with me in the forest and see all the great places we get to. That in itself is worth getting the rec rego up and running for me.

[Scott SouthwellMember]

mal5.1 wrote:

I’ll vote for rec rego. :woohoo:

I can’t see how it will be the beginning of the end of our sport. The boneheaded, rednecks on MX/thumpers riding around the streets will always do it regardless if rec rego is available. They are the ones giving us a bad name. The guys that prefer to ride MX bikes as trail bikes are currently doing it illegally and rec rego would allow them to ride legally.

I would rec rego my ADRed bike as I don’t ride on tar roads and would save around $300 (a few tyres right there). Also I could rec rego my partners bike and she could come out riding with me in the forest and see all the great places we get to. That in itself is worth getting the rec rego up and running for me.

Mal it appears there will still be no MX’ers in the bush here in NSW. From what CJ says the proposal for rec Rego is only for ADR compliant bikes.

I think what some people seem to miss is we have a very unique situation here in Australia. We are able to go to any bike shop and ride out the door with a full blown race ready enduro bike with full registration. How many other countries can you do that in.

If we are able to buy and ride any non ADR bike in the bush legally surely the importers would start to question the cost associated with getting these bikes through ADR’s. It seems Suzuki already don’t see the value in it for the RMX450. Could more manufactures follow suit and we begin to see fewer bikes being able to fully registered if non ADR bikes can be rec registered.

Very few of us are lucky enough to live where we can ride out our back gate into the bush and relay on being able to ride tared roads to reach riding areas or link trails. We all know there will be plenty of people out there who will rec rego there bikes and ride tared roads to link trails or slip into the local town for fuel.

[MalMember]

I see your point Scotty and looking back at CJs post it does say ADR. But I thought with the Vic setup you can rec rego an MXer as long as it has the gear Aido listed.

I would still like to see rec rego for my partners bike. Well I can dream I suppose.

I still don’t think reco rego will be the end of our sport though.

Like someone said earlier I won’t believe it until I can print the day rego out from my computer.

[GregMember]

mal5.1 wrote:

I’ll vote for rec rego. :woohoo: 

I can’t see how it will be the beginning of the end of our sport. The boneheaded, rednecks on MX/thumpers riding around the streets will always do it regardless if rec rego is available. They are the ones giving us a bad name. The guys that prefer to ride MX bikes as trail bikes are currently doing it illegally and rec rego would allow them to ride legally.

 I would rec rego my ADRed bike as I don’t ride on tar roads and would save around $300 (a few tyres right there). Also I could rec rego my partners bike and she could come out riding with me in the forest and see all the great places we get to. That in itself is worth getting the rec rego up and running for me.

I wrote this last night and has since slept on the whole thing before I posted this (thats a first think before typed ha ha) I have made and some changes and added but here we go

I can’t argue with what you have here Mal you are right 100%. 

My only thing is that the guys riding the un regsistered bikes (not just mx) now won’t spend the money and jump through the hoops I cant see them be bothered to set one up legally with all the requirements for rec rego which to do the first time will be expensive enough working head light tail light etc maybe have to pay someone to wire it and get it working why will they do that when they have gotten away with it for so long now. Remembering they will need to have it setup then get it passed the first time, and if it has to be inspected annually thats a whole new hassle and do you think the NSW gov will miss that money making grab, thats money for jam.  Then for the whole thing to really work most will need to do their Ls and Ps (most wont have it now because they didnt need it on their un regsistered bike) so there are two weekends not to mention the cost. The use of ADR compliance bikes only I guess eases all that and is setup ready and legal. The ADR bike they may need will be more expensive then their current mx bike but and more than the 300 they will save. 

With an ADR bike I guess it suits the guy that only rides 10 or so times a year, wants to do the right thing. I would guess he isn’t the guy that rides illegally now but wants a way back into the sport or just to do the sport cheaper and is a generally right thing sort of guy. I support that as I do anything I can see and feel helps the sport
Of course there will be the people like yourself that will do it correctly to ride with your partner and do it properly for themselves and be much happier knowing that your partner is covered legally for herself and others. Being able to share and show  your other half would be good for sure.
I don’t reckon the guy with the bike that backs onto the state forrest who rides there now illegally for free will change and I guess that’s a whole other discussion care factor and giving a f&#k is the problem there I think. I also think most of the non compliance will be with younger people? I knows the large group of young guys at my work that ride their MX 450s in the bush around Clarence now aren’t interested when I spoke with a couple of them regarding rec rego months ago.

I want to be covered when I or someone I know has a have a head on with the ever increasing illegal and legal traffic in the bush, that’s my thing with all this to be honest I don’t care if they ride a thumpstar or a TM I just want the playing field legal because shit will happen. I don’t want to have our ride areas over ridden and lost forever. I don’t ride the Watagans anymore because for most parts they are over ridden and getting abused and yes I know that’s a whole other argument but increasing numbers will make it worse.

If parts of this post seem random I am sorry but that’s the whole thing for me I always felt that if they reduce the costs of green slips for bikes and have a no claim system things would be cheaper. It’s not rego that makes it expensive its the bloody green slip

Now I am off for a Bex and a lay down as all us old whinging men do :laugh:

Thanks for reading but it’s only my opinion

TB

[Jim DrewMember]

After reading some of the comments on this subject a lot of people are missing the point. To my understanding of the Rec Rego system in Vic, it is to aid people that want ride dirt bikes only for pleasure not to commute and as State and Federal parks and forests are classed as public land and come under the same road rules as any public road. The concept is that you don’t have to have full rego if you only ride on weekends etc; ergo the bike should be able to be rego-ed as normal with the exception of a few item not required for bush riding RH mirror, blinkers etc; this reduces the cost of rego by about 75%, the cost is the same for a 50cc or a 1200cc it doesn’t matter as long as the bike is ADR compliant. It is the same as classic club rego it can only be used for alloted purposes.
To my knowledge MX and pit bikes etc; are not ADR compliant and therefor should only be ridden on private property. I hope that if NSW gov brings in a rec rego system it is similar to Vic but I truly don’t think it happen as I think the gov will make that complicated it want be worth while. Any how good luck to all as living in Mexico does have some advantages even if you don’t live the Melbourne area.
Jimbo

[Matt BakerMember]

jimbo wrote:

After reading some of the comments on this subject a lot of people are missing the point. To my understanding of the Rec Rego system in Vic, it is to aid people that want ride dirt bikes only for pleasure not to commute and as State and Federal parks and forests are classed as public land and come under the same road rules as any public road. The concept is that you don’t have to have full rego if you only ride on weekends etc; ergo the bike should be able to be rego-ed as normal with the exception of a few item not required for bush riding RH mirror, blinkers etc; this reduces the cost of rego by about 75%, the cost is the same for a 50cc or a 1200cc it doesn’t matter as long as the bike is ADR compliant.
To my knowledge MX and pit bikes etc; are not ADR compliant and therefor should only be ridden on private property. I hope that if NSW gov brings in a rec rego system it is similar to Vic but I truly don’t think it happen as I think the gov will make that complicated it want be worth while. Any how good luck to all as living in Mexico does have some advantages even if you don’t live the Melbourne area.
Jimbo

You are wrong about MX bikes, I was ridng in VIC a couple of months ago with a bloke on a brand new KTM 350 MX bike and the shop he bought it from put a head light and tail light on it for him and he was good to go with Rec Rego

There are heaps of guys with 250 2 stroke MX bikes with Rec Rego, they love the light weight.

[Bob DowsettMember]

Capt. Furious wrote:

Bob wrote:

if u can’t afford rego u shouldn’t have a dirt bike as they aren’t cheap either
thats my 2c worth
Hammer away

I’ve got 35000 hectares of State Forest out my back gate. I’m all for rec-rego.

If you can’t afford to live on a property with 35000 hectares of State Forest out your back gate you shouldn’t have a dirt bike as they aren’t cheap either.

Now if you don’t mind, I am off to roost some Rangers and eat some babies. 👿

[Bob DowsettMember]

I’m changing my mind
I can’t have tb agreeing with me thats just ludicrous

Go rec rego?????

[Bob DowsettMember]

Thats when u load it on a trailer or a ute if u can’t afford that buy a mountain bike them bastards don’t pay anything and still expect u 2 be nice to them

[Jim DrewMember]

LC4skin
In that case I will stand corrected as I have just read the whole page as I have only checked the requirements, I have never considered rego-ing a MX bike as I think the maintenance cost would out way the benefits. The web address for Vicroads is; http://www.vicroad.vic.gov.au. On the home page just type motorcycle rec rego in the search box and follow the links and you can read all about it. By the way did your mate happen to say how much it cost to make his MX-er compliant. Just wondering.
Jimbo

[Matt BakerMember]

He wasnt a mate of mine just a bloke I met whilst riding, but I think to set up a head light and a tail light on a MX bike shouldnt cost too much.

[Matt BakerMember]

I think MX bikes are a fair bit cheaper to buy either new or second hand and then get the lights set up.

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