Time for our sport to mature and take control

[Craig HattonMember]

King Crash wrote:

Hatto wrote:

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Everybody is on about the costs of rego, but it’s the greenslips which are the issue.

Hatto

Don’t start me on greenslips Hatto……..

my garbage truck renewal is over $4000.00 this year!

Crash

Well thats just garbage.:laugh: :laugh:
But put it into perspective – 4000 divided by 233 work days= around $18.00 a day, you earn $1k a day, your way in front.:whistle: 😆

Joking, Joking,Sorry mate-I feel your pain.

Hatto

[Jim DrewMember]

Good now that I have your attention I would just like to point out that as Hatto stated he is prepare to take a bit of flack for stating his opinion and I am the same. I personally don’t think much of Rec Rego and I think that all bikes should be fully roadworthy and that they should bring in rego check at lest like they have in Queensland. At lest you might get some of the dangerous shit of the roads(not likely to happen). And as for the comment about me tripping I can assure you that, that is never likely to happen as I don’t drink,smoke, inject or snort any thing that is not legal.

Any way I have my thoughts and opinions and can be content in knowing that I have been there and done that before and have the tee shirts and trophies to prove it.
jimbo.

PS I think I will grab my walking frame and toddle of to bed and dream of past glories.

[alanMember]

menace wrote:

and just to throw a spanner in the works…

i saw this on another site just now and had to laugh.

ADR cant be that hard to get, it has NSW rego :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

reckon that would be fun to ride i would give it a go the chinese bikes arent as bad as they used to be :laugh: build quality about the same as old jap bikes

[Scott SouthwellMember]

menace wrote:

no one checks up on rec rego either Scotty, just like they dont with our cars either. no yearly RWC for us.
green slips and pink slips are just feeding the hungry insurance bastards.

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I agree with you about greedy insurers on green slips but pink slips have nothing at all to do with insurance companies they are a yearly safety inspection making sure our vehicles are safe to drive on the roads. Things like tyres, brakes, suspension etc are all checked. Who checks these things in Vic or does everybody just drive unroadworthy busted and broken shitboxes?

As for rec rego up here it’s pointless everybody arguing about non ADR bikes as the proposal put forward is for ADR bikes only. If people want to ride an MX bikes in the bush legally then they will need to travel South of the border.

[Craig HattonMember]

Scotty wrote:

menace wrote:

no one checks up on rec rego either Scotty, just like they dont with our cars either. no yearly RWC for us.
green slips and pink slips are just feeding the hungry insurance bastards.

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I agree with you about greedy insurers on green slips but pink slips have nothing at all to do with insurance companies they are a yearly safety inspection making sure our vehicles are safe to drive on the roads. Things like tyres, brakes, suspension etc are all checked. Who checks these things in Vic or does everybody just drive unroadworthy busted and broken shitboxes?

As for rec rego up here it’s pointless everybody arguing about non ADR bikes as the proposal put forward is for ADR bikes only. If people want to ride an MX bikes in the bush legally then they will need to travel South of the border.

What is the difference between ADR compliant and full regoed bikes

hatto

[Scott SouthwellMember]

Hatto, In Australia all vehicle must have ADR compliance to be eligible for full registration. In Victoria bike don’t need to be ADR compliant to obtain Rec Rego. That is not going to be the case here in NSW’s. Only ADR compliant bike will be able to get Rec Rego. It will be a cheap way for those who have ADR bikes and don’t what to ride roads to register there bikes.

It is yet to be seen yet how much cheaper it will be. Green slips have come down in price for the majority of dirt bikes over the past year with a changing of the capacity scale. From what CJ has said they are still lobbying to have motorcycle green slips reduced even further. If this happens the price difference between full Rego and Rec Rego could be even smaller.

I do giggle at those who go out and buy $13000+ dirtbike, go throw even more cash on aftermarket parts, performance bits and riding gear than complain that registration is making the sport too expensive.

[Jeffrey SmithMember]

ADR compliant bikes have to have all the things mentioned by Menace earlier but also have to meet more strict emissions requirements for both noise and exhaust fumes I think.

[Craig HattonMember]

Scotty wrote:

Hatto, In Australia all vehicle must have ADR compliance to be eligible for full registration. In Victoria bike don’t need to be ADR compliant to obtain Rec Rego. That is not going to be the case here in NSW’s. Only ADR compliant bike will be able to get Rec Rego. It will be a cheap way for those who have ADR bikes and don’t what to ride roads to register there bikes.

It is yet to be seen yet how much cheaper it will be. Green slips have come down in price for the majority of dirt bikes over the past year with a changing of the capacity scale. From what CJ has said they are still lobbying to have motorcycle green slips reduced even further. If this happens the price difference between full Rego and Rec Rego could be even smaller.

I do giggle at those who go out and buy $13000+ dirtbike, go throw even more cash on aftermarket parts, performance bits and riding gear than complain that registration is making the sport too expensive.

That was my understanding, so what this is all about is example-ktm450 exc registered V’S ktm450 exc unregistered.

Rego component ktm 450 = 110.00 ride anywhere, any time
Rec Rego comp ktm 450 = 80.00 (vic) restricted to 45 days

If this is right-whole shebang is a waste if time.
Lets concentrate on the greenslip component and all ride registered bikes-done deal

hatto

[Mark BuntingMember]

Hatto wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Hatto, In Australia all vehicle must have ADR compliance to be eligible for full registration. In Victoria bike don’t need to be ADR compliant to obtain Rec Rego. That is not going to be the case here in NSW’s. Only ADR compliant bike will be able to get Rec Rego. It will be a cheap way for those who have ADR bikes and don’t what to ride roads to register there bikes.

It is yet to be seen yet how much cheaper it will be. Green slips have come down in price for the majority of dirt bikes over the past year with a changing of the capacity scale. From what CJ has said they are still lobbying to have motorcycle green slips reduced even further. If this happens the price difference between full Rego and Rec Rego could be even smaller.

I do giggle at those who go out and buy $13000+ dirtbike, go throw even more cash on aftermarket parts, performance bits and riding gear than complain that registration is making the sport too expensive.

That was my understanding, so what this is all about is example-ktm450 exc registered V’S ktm450 exc unregistered.

Rego component ktm 450 = 110.00 ride anywhere, any time
Rec Rego comp ktm 450 = 80.00 (vic) restricted to 45 days

If this is right-whole shebang is a waste if time.
Lets concentrate on the greenslip component and all ride registered bikes-done deal

hatto

+ 1

Couldn’t agree more Hatto.

Kram

[ChrisMember]

Hatto wrote:

What is the difference between ADR compliant and full regoed bikes
hatto

ADR = Australian Design Rules – http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/index.aspx

Basically Men and/or Woman in Australia who think they know best as to how something should be built as opposed to the rest of the world.. I’m sure it is the same in other countries.. Yes I’m being a smart ass :silly:

I find this thread quite amusing… Lots of people throwing stones in glass houses… :huh:

As stated a few times in the last 1/2 dozen posts Rego is cheap Green Slips are the problem.. Maybe all the smart people with the proper opinions can tell me how a 400CC motor bike be more in green slip than Mazda 3 vehicle with a 2.2 liter engine registered to the same address..

[Dwayne OMember]

I am gonna reserve my opinion on this topic once again.
I have had many a gripe with unrego`d bikes over the years causing trouble in my ride areas & local street.

Its too easy to have full rego & ride legally almost anywhere I reckon;)

[Mick DMember]

There is always gunna be the “TOOL factor” regardless. Last weekend confirmed that in my mind forever.

My brother in law invited a group of blokes up from Sydney to ride at my inlaws property. Most of then were on unregoed YZ250F’s and one on a thumpster. These clowns had 640 acres of property at their disposal,yet they chose to roar up and down the main road past the property and beyond (some 30km’s beyond). Even after one had a head on with a hilux and was lucky to not get really hurt, they still chose to be dickheads and kept riding past the ajoining properties homesteads creating noise and dust and no doubt bad feelings from the neighbours. They didn’t seem to care when I chipped them about it either,they dont live there so why care???
The mentallity of some people amazes me at times.
All we need now is for the neighbours to complain and we will have to put a DA in in order to ride at our own place.
AS for rec rego, I doubt if these type of blokes would even consider it, going on their complete disregard for the law and even the property owners wishes.

[Dwayne OMember]

That is EXACTLY WHERE I STAND on the issue Mick :whistle:

Had similar problems for years (19 to be exact)
Even had locals tarring me with the same brush on the commuter, due to the dust the dickheads created:angry:

[Bruce CurtisMember]

OK-debate is gettig healthy now.
a few points a lot, actually a hell of a lot of professional riders use MX bikes with tweaks as race bikes for enduro, the national H&Hound series in the USA is basically dominated by MX bikes, 2T at that.
Now I know most of us aren’t even at clubman level if we were competitiors, however some of us like a responsive bike.
There have been many examples of factories fitting bikes out with ADR type equipment and then seeling them as “enduro”
And the qualifications to descern betwixt bikes… well I have been race prepping and building bikes for myself and others since well teenage years. this is not rocket science it’s very basic stuff the only real areas that can’t be easily tweaked is lateral bump absorption as typically an MXer has more frame feedback and is stiffer in the headstock area and runds a slightly shorter wheelbase, which to me is more conducive to ST anyway.

Enduro bikes on a whole are far more “boring to ride” someone said the MXers had less lowend power, well mostly this is a furphy, they mostly have less inertia, flywheel effect, in fact they have more power everywhere for a given capacity.

Someone else trotted out the “how long I’ve been riding for caper”…. I’ll let that one go methinks, don’t need to start the whole my dick is bigger cwap, those who know me know what my whole life has revolved around.

each rider is different, some of us like slow response heavy bikes they make them feel planted and safe, some like bags of torque, others like instant zap and lightweight, this is where both the 4T and 2T MXer’s rule.

I agree with Menace too, the Vicco system is fairly easy to get through, and it seems to me that some people want to be elitist, well I have been through that stage when MY sport got popular, I wanted to jump up and down and tell all the modern adult entrants to pay their dues with being hassled and being made to be an outcast at school for being one of only half a dozen bike riders, but then I realised … “for the same reason I have enjoyed and been able to enjoy should be open to anyone with the ability, it’s a freedom that many should be able to persue in a free world. always remembering that with certain freedoms come responsibility which was why I actually started this thread in the first place.

We should not look down upon others who may ride older or less expensive bikes, we should be giving them an opportunity to ride safely and legally, this was reinforced recently by a stalwart of the motorcycle fraternity to me locally, he is proposing and self-financing a falttrack club for juniors to help give somewhere for all the kids on older bikes to ride and have a bit of fun, in a controlled and mildly competitive environment, and seeing as the people he has coached and fostered in this sport (including Our most ever successful world champion) I believe his approach is right, and rec rego could actually be a good follow on.

Not everybody has the resources to buy, maintain and full rego a 2011 FE570…

Oh here where the changes in rego (sorry ctp)

100-225cc (calc came out at ~$162, roughly the same as current 0-300)
226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)
726-1025cc ( $508, same as current 300cc+)
over 1025cc ($625 on a 1200cc, up from $508)

some of you lads may not have been hit hard… some of us where, especially when we as a whole only claim less than $80 per rider per greenslip, now those of us who have memories that work, will remember when John dellabosca introduced the CTP idea it was $20 for a sub-300cc bike!!!!!!!!!

just cause it didn’;t happen to you, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

ttr250 up, R6 down, gpx 750 same, fjr1300 up

[GregMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

OK-debate is gettig healthy now.
a few points a lot, actually a hell of a lot of professional riders use MX bikes with tweaks as race bikes for enduro, the national H&Hound series in the USA is basically dominated by MX bikes, 2T at that.
Now I know most of us aren’t even at clubman level if we were competitiors, however some of us like a responsive bike.
There have been many examples of factories fitting bikes out with ADR type equipment and then seeling them as “enduro”
And the qualifications to descern betwixt bikes… well I have been race prepping and building bikes for myself and others since well teenage years. this is not rocket science it’s very basic stuff the only real areas that can’t be easily tweaked is lateral bump absorption as typically an MXer has more frame feedback and is stiffer in the headstock area and runds a slightly shorter wheelbase, which to me is more conducive to ST anyway.

Enduro bikes on a whole are far more “boring to ride” someone said the MXers had less lowend power, well mostly this is a furphy, they mostly have less inertia, flywheel effect, in fact they have more power everywhere for a given capacity.

Bruce as someone here I have the utmost respect for, I say with all due respect to the above, wake up mate it’s 2011. Really mate 15 years ago some of that was true. Bikes can now be tuned by a switch on the bars a power valve spring etc. They all turn now and if they don’t you move the bars to one of the three positions that they have etc they all have great suspension. Saying that enduro bikes are boring to ride is a dangerous statement which I think is silly and only looking for what I don’t know (I don’t ride either as such) the KTM race team won everything enduro there was to win in Australia last year with ADR enduro bikes.

I think you are making this to much about you and your case riding an older bike like me and two strokes and as for you rego going up by more than double well mate you should have kept it regoed in QLD. You like MX bikes that’s great but we arent driving that barrow we are talking about costs plain and simple.

Sorry Bruce

TB

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