Time for our sport to mature and take control

[Bruce CurtisMember]

No offence Greg, all debate is healthy, however as i just said the enduro 4Ts ARE boring, any moron can ride one fast, until they stuff up, there’s so much soak in the chassis and the powerplant is indeed boring, oh yeah like my roadbike just twist and fly, but no skill, the feedback is boring… I guess what I am saying is no character on a whole.
the new Honda CRF I rode a few weeks ago, was a delight to ride if you like that sort of thing, powerful (not responsive in my books though), comfortable, 30 kg wet heavier than my bike and great suspension… a nice bike to ride, but not as much adrenaline pump as a say YZ450F

I would as discussed like to see a few more options enter the market back to a YZ250WR, a RMX250, likes of WMWcr etc, (BTW TB, MY bike uses the same engine and chassis dimensions as the 2011 model… , actually reality is they haven’t changed since ’03, and still is the top finishing 250 in amcross in the states) but at this stage my next bike is going to be a GASGAS as they and the other euros have kept the faith of the lightweight, steerable 2T alive ad It’s ADRd too.

anyway back on subject, Rec Rego will be a great thing, bring it on I’ll be down at the RTA with the YZ asap….
Oh and the CTP increases happened just after my rego lapsed in qld anyway, so it was poor timing for me personally, but the rec setup will make up for that.

again CJBURNS & Comrades well done

[GregMember]

Cheers Bruce

Your WR is It a WR modelled on a YZ or is it a YZ they called them WRs didn’t they? Its ADR isnt it so you are sweet if it sees light of day the proposal that is?

TB

[Craig HattonMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

OK-debate is gettig healthy now.
a few points a lot, actually a hell of a lot of professional riders use MX bikes with tweaks as race bikes for enduro, the national H&Hound series in the USA is basically dominated by MX bikes, 2T at that.
Now I know most of us aren’t even at clubman level if we were competitiors, however some of us like a responsive bike.
There have been many examples of factories fitting bikes out with ADR type equipment and then seeling them as “enduro”Factory bikes not, production bikes-have had the money spent to change them
And the qualifications to descern betwixt bikes… well I have been race prepping and building bikes for myself and others since well teenage years. this is not rocket science it’s very basic stuff the only real areas that can’t be easily tweaked is lateral bump absorption as typically an MXer has more frame feedback and is stiffer in the headstock area and runds a slightly shorter wheelbase, which to me is more conducive to ST anyway.

Enduro bikes on a whole are far more “boring to ride” Bring this up with the manufacturers,someone said the MXers had less lowend power,less low end torque well mostly this is a furphy, they mostly have less inertia, flywheel effect, in fact they have more power everywhere for a given capacity.Yes, but in the hands of most, are not suited to enduro riding. Someone like yourself can ride any bike, and make it work when it is not designed to, but we are talking about the masses here

Someone else trotted out the “how long I’ve been riding for caper”…. I’ll let that one go methinks, don’t need to start the whole my dick is bigger cwap, those who know me know what my whole life has revolved around.

each rider is different, some of us like slow response heavy bikes they make them feel planted and safe, some like bags of torque, others like instant zap and lightweight, this is where both the 4T and 2T MXer’s rule.

I agree with Menace too, the Vicco system is fairly easy to get through, and it seems to me that some people want to be elitist, Not being elitist,just concerned about safeguarding the sport for all to enjoy for years to comewell I have been through that stage when MY sport got popular, I wanted to jump up and down and tell all the modern adult entrants to pay their dues with being hassled and being made to be an outcast at school for being one of only half a dozen bike riders, but then I realised … “for the same reason I have enjoyed and been able to enjoy should be open to anyone with the ability, it’s a freedom that many should be able to persue in a free world. always remembering that with certain freedoms come responsibility which was why I actually started this thread in the first place.

We should not look down upon others who may ride older or less expensive bikes, Not sure where this has come from, no mention of old or less expensivewe should be giving them an opportunity to ride safely and legally, that opportunity exist today this was reinforced recently by a stalwart of the motorcycle fraternity to me locally, he is proposing and self-financing a falttrack club for juniors to help give somewhere for all the kids on older bikes to ride and have a bit of fun, in a controlled and mildly competitive environment, and seeing as the people he has coached and fostered in this sport (including Our most ever successful world champion) I believe his approach is right, and rec rego could actually be a good follow on.exactly right, a controlled environment, once in the bush there is no control unless you have to abide by the law

Not everybody has the resources to buy, maintain and full rego a 2011 FE570…

Maintanence on old or new is similar and is a given for the sport, rego is cheap, the greenslip is the issue, get that rectified and we are on a winner.

Bruce, I am glad for the discussion to be in the public arena, and think that it is healthy to have different opinions, mine is different to yours on this matter, my responses are in no way an attack on your person

cheers Hatto

[Bruce CurtisMember]

“03 YZ250WR full ADR compliant, but is really just an ’03 YZ250 with a lighting coil and dogleg muffler and brake switches…

the everything else is the same, so I’m cool, but I do know a few others who would love a vicco style setup, but I am grateful for what we will get TB.

If I wanna ride formed sanitised roads.. well got the bigbore weapon for that too….

Hatto I am very hard to offend, might have opinions, but they change and morph as I do try to listen and take in others as well, no single one of us is always right or always wrong, and I agree, some of my rant is a bit of sour grapes at where the enduro bikes have gone, I suppose I thought enduro bikes would be hard edged like the old ITs and PEs narrow focus, but reality is they are hard edged trail bikes with enduro capabilities.

I am as TB says very narrow focus in my likes, sharp handling, instant power and lightweight.

[Scott SouthwellMember]

Mr Blue wrote:

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226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

[ChrisMember]

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

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226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

From where Scotty? cheapest for my DRZ is $380 most expensive is $475 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Thats using the rta greenslip calc too

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

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226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. ( Maybe a teensy weensie bit Snr Sgt Scott…)My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

truth is I haven’t rechecked since last december as I got annoyed and haven’t ridden the bike on crown lands since, and every now and then I get a wee speeding every few years, but nothing special…

I didn’t go through with full rego, because ages ago Mr CJBurns gave me a heads up as TB knows.. we spoke of it over 6 months ago, and me being a stubborn grumpy old bloke said “right I’m a holdin out for this here rec rego thing, and save me a few hunnerd shekels” and so I did.

I am nothing else if not hard headed.

[Scott SouthwellMember]

Krusty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

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226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

From where Scotty? cheapest for my DRZ is $380 most expensive is $475 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Thats using the rta greenslip calc too

GIO, $256.61. Is yours a recent quote Krusty or last years?

[Craig HattonMember]

Krusty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

O
226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

From where Scotty? cheapest for my DRZ is $380 most expensive is $475 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Thats using the rta greenslip calc too

Paid mine last saturday, alliance $277 and $110 for rego, I do have an impeccable driving record though.:laugh:

[GregMember]

Your getting ripped Krusty I just went up stairs and checked my green slips and they are 301 for the Tenere and 283 for the XR

Rego 109 + 283 GS = 391 a year for the XR

Ride it 45 times a year = $8.69 per ride

8.68 per ride people you spend more on petrol per ride, more on energy bars and snakes more on beers after the ride :laugh: :laugh:

TB

[Scott SouthwellMember]

Bruce we all speed, and we ALL get the fines (dame speed cameras). This year mine CTP may have gone down a bit more because as of this Easter long weeked, I now have a full compliment of demerit points for the first time in years.

[ChrisMember]

Scotty wrote:

Krusty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

O
226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

From where Scotty? cheapest for my DRZ is $380 most expensive is $475 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Thats using the rta greenslip calc too

GIO, $256.61. Is yours a recent quote Krusty or last years?

I give up? I went to the calculator site and put in the details for a June 8 renewal and bang..

[Craig HattonMember]

Trailboss wrote:

Your getting ripped Krusty I just went up stairs and checked my green slips and they are 301 for the Tenere and 283 for the XR

Rego 109 + 283 GS = 391 a year for the XR

Ride it 45 times a year = $8.69 per ride

8.68 per ride people you spend more on petrol per ride, more on energy bars and snakes more on beers after the ride :laugh: :laugh:

TB

My rego is 110, obviously the RTA feel sorry for you riding that bike.:whistle: 😆 :laugh:

Hatto

[GregMember]

Hatto wrote:

Trailboss wrote:

Your getting ripped Krusty I just went up stairs and checked my green slips and they are 301 for the Tenere and 283 for the XR

Rego 109 + 283 GS = 391 a year for the XR

Ride it 45 times a year = $8.69 per ride

8.68 per ride people you spend more on petrol per ride, more on energy bars and snakes more on beers after the ride :laugh: :laugh:

TB

My rego is 110, obviously the RTA feel sorry for you riding that bike.:whistle: 😆 :laugh:

Hatto

Actually I questioned that myself Hatto and the RTA said as yours is a shit box it will end up as land fill where mine never will the extra money you pay is a dumping shit in the land fill tax
And because it’s such shit they can only charge a dollar :laugh: See good for nothing now piss off with the rest of the sheep Hatto

TB

[Bruce CurtisMember]

So going on Hattos logic, I’ll take the poor old battered YZ down to the RTA, smile at the nice ladies and bloke(not nice at all, real Selma and Thelmas) and they will pay me to get it registered.. as it is a poor battered old thing from last century….

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