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June 9, 2009 at 11:48 pm #138834
Moto wrote:
Quote:I do think bike shops charge a lot of money for what seems to be little work. But then again, as others have said the revenue raised out of the mechanics time isn’t just paying his salary and the rest is profit.Rent for somewhere like Newcastle KTM is probably around $4K a month, plus insurances, public liablity, heating, power, salaries for the other guys that are ‘overheads’.
Considering they actually make very little on the sale of a new bike they have to makes their money somewhere. Most of this comes from parts and servicing. Some bike shop owners do quite well out of it, but that’s why you run your own business. I wouldn’t run a bike shop for $30K a year so all of you bludgers can have cheap servicing for your hobby.
I don’t like paying the money just like the next guy but I understand why it is like it is.
Glad you said that MOTO, I was getting all fired up, don’t forget, super, workers comp, insurance, sick and annual leave benefits, tea, coffee, electricity, water, staff amenities, tax, GST, accountancy fees, I could go on and on, when you have your own business their is a hell of a lot of expenses just to keep the doors open and that’s before you pay staff or get your get your new boat/car/bike, why do people think that because you have your own business you must be rich, I know I could certainly go and get a full time job and make more money but that’s not why I chose to have my own business.
June 10, 2009 at 12:00 am #138838Fossil raised some good points in his so called rant. There are probably lots of unseen costs bourne by the dealer that we plebs have no idea about.Superannuation is just one thing that comes to mind.
That said,being a qualified Plant Mechanic myself,it used to get up my nose to see what the dealers charged the clients and then what they paid me for doing that work,especially when I was contracting to the dealer and I had my own insurance etc.June 10, 2009 at 12:05 am #138853chris72a wrote:
Quote:Moto wrote:Quote:I do think bike shops charge a lot of money for what seems to be little work. But then again, as others have said the revenue raised out of the mechanics time isn’t just paying his salary and the rest is profit.Rent for somewhere like Newcastle KTM is probably around $4K a month, plus insurances, public liablity, heating, power, salaries for the other guys that are ‘overheads’.
Considering they actually make very little on the sale of a new bike they have to makes their money somewhere. Most of this comes from parts and servicing. Some bike shop owners do quite well out of it, but that’s why you run your own business. I wouldn’t run a bike shop for $30K a year so all of you bludgers can have cheap servicing for your hobby.
I don’t like paying the money just like the next guy but I understand why it is like it is.
Glad you said that MOTO, I was getting all fired up, don’t forget, super, workers comp, insurance, sick and annual leave benefits, tea, coffee, electricity, water, staff amenities, tax, GST, accountancy fees, I could go on and on, when you have your own business their is a hell of a lot of expenses just to keep the doors open and that’s before you pay staff or get your get your new boat/car/bike, why do people think that because you have your own business you must be rich, I know I could certainly go and get a full time job and make more money but that’s not why I chose to have my own business.
Chris do your customers value your service? do you have a repeat and loyal business base, if you answer yes you will be right and are doing right.
I have a second part time occupation that is more of a hobby consulting in a specialist field to a local family concern who have a beaut outlook on the way they run their service and staff, they also bring their suppliers and contractors along for the ride, they also make a very good living from it, I am proud to be associated with them and that is why I continue to service their needs when I changed my Career goals.
Have you read the Toyota way of Business? excellent read with many good approachs to doing well and standing head and shoulders above the rest in reputation, and it doesn’t just apply to the manufacturing side, but to all with a wholistic view of what you do, and the rewards should be commerserate with the effort (these rewards are not measured just financially either).Bruce C.
June 10, 2009 at 1:05 am #138442our, well mine anyway, main gripe is not that the shops charge the $70+/hr.
it is the examples we are seeing told here of the seeming minority? that make all shops look bad.
i for 1 am glad the likes of fossil threw their hat in the ring and cleared up a few things. i for 1 did not expect the insurance to do road worthy tests to be $30k!!
yes i had forgotten to take into account the worker’s super.
and when you get shops like our only bike dealer that believe that their brand IS the Only bike to buy, and will try to talk you into buying a bike THEY think is the only bike for me.
now one of the owners told me that because of my size, height And weight that i could not ride a bike under 1000 cc.
now i have got a 583 cc v twin. that dose all i want and more!
as for a off road bike they told me i needed their brand of 650. without really listening to what my wants/ NEEDS are.
and now since owning my own road reg. bikes i realise that if i say i would consider a 250 and admit that it was a compromise and would be willing to live with my choice.
they flat out tell me that my choice IS / WILL be wrong. and you WILL be disappointed etc. etc.
do you get the home hardware adds with the dogs saying that some staff think advice is reading from the box or brochure?
this same dealer tried to sell me their flagship 450 just from reading me the specs on the paper.
June 10, 2009 at 4:04 am #138870BTW I have to be clear that I have no idea what KTM newcastle charge per hour but if I needed to I’d have no issues with paying it because they have my trust so far and seem like good genuine blokes even though I haven’t had to trust them yet since the only work they’ve done is replace my rear wheel bearing set because I didn’t have a drift and couldn’t get the originals out. I’ve also been in there several times and they’ve never *tried* to put a sale on me despite my quiet perving/tyre kicking which is great because I hate being sold to.
My point in the other thread was that something as simple yet possibly slightly time consuming as taking the motor out was worth doing myself rather than having a professional mechanic do it. If I could I’d still rather spend that saved money at the bike shop but on something I want like $120 bottle of Motul oil! (new thread/search needed for oil advice)
My brother also took my bike to the Dirt Bike Factory in Wollongong where I was recommended and from all reports Anthony looked after him and assured him that the motor didn’t need to be pulled out and that while there was a trick to preventing swarf (sp?)from escaping into the case the rest was straight forward and simple.
June 10, 2009 at 4:31 am #138882
AnonymousJune 10, 2009 at 4:36 am #138889Haha searching for yourself is for plebs!
Cheers for that
June 10, 2009 at 7:55 am #138854chris72a wrote:
Quote:Moto wrote:Quote:I do think bike shops charge a lot of money for what seems to be little work. But then again, as others have said the revenue raised out of the mechanics time isn’t just paying his salary and the rest is profit.Rent for somewhere like Newcastle KTM is probably around $4K a month, plus insurances, public liablity, heating, power, salaries for the other guys that are ‘overheads’.
Considering they actually make very little on the sale of a new bike they have to makes their money somewhere. Most of this comes from parts and servicing. Some bike shop owners do quite well out of it, but that’s why you run your own business. I wouldn’t run a bike shop for $30K a year so all of you bludgers can have cheap servicing for your hobby.
I don’t like paying the money just like the next guy but I understand why it is like it is.
Glad you said that MOTO, I was getting all fired up, don’t forget, super, workers comp, insurance, sick and annual leave benefits, tea, coffee, electricity, water, staff amenities, tax, GST, accountancy fees, I could go on and on, when you have your own business their is a hell of a lot of expenses just to keep the doors open and that’s before you pay staff or get your get your new boat/car/bike, why do people think that because you have your own business you must be rich, I know I could certainly go and get a full time job and make more money but that’s not why I chose to have my own business.
Chris 72 is right. I had my own buisness about 15 years ago and some of the outgoings per month were.
$1000 insurance (only on building, plant and equipment)
$3800 RentThen take into account thing like
Dunny paper
Stationary
Computers/printers
Accountants
Superanuation
Staffs holidays
Staff sickies
light globes
cleaning material
Bags for purchased items
Security systemsand the list goes on and on.
Dont get me wrong, there are some sharks out there but usually when there is no competition. Looking back it was bloody hard work and now i am more than happy to work my 80 hours a week for a wage.
I have nothing but admiration for those people who have a go at small buisness.
June 10, 2009 at 9:59 am #138912Stuff having your own business for a joke!
I work for the government for a very good reason (not scared of work, but scared of taking a punt and possibly losing everything!)I don’t care what it costs to run a business. I simply dislike pay for someone to do something I can do myself. Just goes against the grain for me.
Take my missus’ car for example. The motor’s sideways. It’s just too hard to get to the oil filter and it has those fandangled spark plugs that only need changing every 100k because they’re too bloody hard to get out! We have a mechanic who does good careful work and is upfront about what is needed and when. He doesn’t bullsh1t but he does charge. Do I mind paying? Not really. I know he’s done what he’s supposed to and I trust him because he’s proved himself. Would I pay a bike mechanic to work on my beloved? Not unless I really had to. In fact I’d only trust suspension work to Mr Pons and engine work to the blokes up at CrossAction (or whatever they’re called these days). Why? Because I’ve had them both do work before and I trust them. Anyone else can bugger off. They’ll get my work when I can’t manage it. I reckon they charge way too much for the work they do which could be better spent on RUMBOS!!!
June 10, 2009 at 10:09 am #138927shane_vor wrote:
Quote:Stuff having your own business for a joke!
I work for the government for a very good reason (not scared of work, but scared of taking a punt and possibly losing everything!)I don’t care what it costs to run a business. I simply dislike pay for someone to do something I can do myself. Just goes against the grain for me.
Take my missus’ car for example. The motor’s sideways. It’s just too hard to get to the oil filter and it has those fandangled spark plugs that only need changing every 100k because they’re too bloody hard to get out! We have a mechanic who does good careful work and is upfront about what is needed and when. He doesn’t bullsh1t but he does charge. Do I mind paying? Not really. I know he’s done what he’s supposed to and I trust him because he’s proved himself. Would I pay a bike mechanic to work on my beloved? Not unless I really had to. In fact I’d only trust suspension work to Mr Pons and engine work to the blokes up at CrossAction (or whatever they’re called these days). Why? Because I’ve had them both do work before and I trust them. Anyone else can bugger off. They’ll get my work when I can’t manage it. I reckon they charge way too much for the work they do which could be better spent on RUMBOS!!!
Steady on Shane, I come to your place and getted paid for my work in Rumbos :ohmy:
June 10, 2009 at 10:10 am #138928Bit of useless information from me now in regards to the main topic in this thread..
For a business to run an employee it cost approximatly 89% more per hour than the employee doing the actual work takes home.
It has been touch on by many in this thread in the form of super, workers comp,etc, other things to be considered are depreciation of equipment used to fix our bikes, annual/leave for employees has to be paid for, staff training,public holidays,other leave, etc etc etc,
If i can supply any advise it would be to make sure youshop where you get bang for your buck
June 10, 2009 at 11:05 am #138930Boony wrote:
Quote:Bit of useless information from me now in regards to the main topic in this thread..For a business to run an employee it cost approximatly 89% more per hour than the employee doing the actual work takes home.
It has been touch on by many in this thread in the form of super, workers comp,etc, other things to be considered are depreciation of equipment used to fix our bikes, annual/leave for employees has to be paid for, staff training,public holidays,other leave, etc etc etc,
If i can supply any advise it would be to make sure youshop where you get bang for your buck
if what you are saying is correct boony at 70$ an hour rate the tradesman would get 7$ glad i don t work for you unless you charged 200$ an hour or more
June 10, 2009 at 11:08 am #138944white rocket wrote:
Quote:Boony wrote:Quote:Bit of useless information from me now in regards to the main topic in this thread..For a business to run an employee it cost approximatly 89% more per hour than the employee doing the actual work takes home.
It has been touch on by many in this thread in the form of super, workers comp,etc, other things to be considered are depreciation of equipment used to fix our bikes, annual/leave for employees has to be paid for, staff training,public holidays,other leave, etc etc etc,
If i can supply any advise it would be to make sure youshop where you get bang for your buck
if what you are saying is correct boony at 70$ an hour rate the tradesman would get 7$ glad i don t work for you unless you charged 200$ an hour or more
That would be 890% more
June 10, 2009 at 11:09 am #138945paying the staff at work = they take home approx $18.00 an hour, I need to charge aprox $32.00 an hour taking into account all the on costs involved in salaries and wages, it may vary in the private sector
The above is only approximates remember
June 10, 2009 at 11:35 am #138946The rule of thumb I was told a few years back is it costs double what you actually pay the employee to keep the employee I.E: $2.00 per hr, actual cost $4.00 per hr to take in all of the above costs. my 2cents worth.
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