What does it take to find a decent worker?

[alanMember]

just think of there poor old parents who have to support them between jobs .no one seems to think about that but do they 6 months a bit long i think

[Eric SmithMember]

wazzup wrote:

A good thread and made for an interesting read.

I’ll leave you to ponder the youth of today with this simple quote

You can’t teach stupid !

I danced around it, but really, my opinion is that there’s no cure for stupid! Disappointed in my poor judgment in hiring this one, but as I said he was genuinely trying, just didn’t have the ability. Proves that good intentions don’t make good outcomes!

[GarryMember]

Interesting thread to find in a bike forum but one that makes a bloody good read may I just add and while I am no business owner from personal experience much of what has been said is true …….

But I look at things from the other side as well, that being people looking for work as my 21 year old sone has tried to find work up here and has had three casual xmas only jobs, then nothing. He has had interviews and never hears back, drops in resumes, no replies and what not, so whilst yes there are many who want to take advantage or who are unsuited there are an equal amount who are never given the opportunity or chance due to circumstance (he has no licence and we live outside of town).

On the other side, whilst people have said that they prefer the older worker which to me makes sense as the older worker generally has a ‘hard work’ attitude and wants to work, there are however a lot of places that look at age and immediately rule people out. For us, my wife has been looking for work for the last 12 months after being retrenched from a receptionist job. She has had a number of interviews and been told outright by agencies and hinted at by businesses that her age is the issue ……….. she is 50 this year.

I am not having a go at anyone who has posted here either so please do not read this as an attack on those business owners as actually I fully agree but get frustrated when my wife wants to work and yet her age is against her, whilst my son wants to work but need the motivation of a good job.

Sadly, a lot of youth today do not see their future (yes, dealing with it with our son) and when they see the age discrimination against older workers, they often wonder why bother

My rant over.

[GarryMember]

ECKS-Man wrote:

I danced around it, but really, my opinion is that there’s no cure for stupid! Disappointed in my poor judgment in hiring this one, but as I said he was genuinely trying, just didn’t have the ability. Proves that good intentions don’t make good outcomes!

Thing is though Ecks, that people are hired based on interviews and there are some damn good actors out there who can lie outright, bend the truth or simply sell themselves far better than can others who probably would be better suited.

All employment is trial and error for all parties involved and really should be seen as that as when you find that perfect fit for the business 12 months will be up before you know it and so on. Alternately, find that bad egg and time drags on like dinner at the in-laws

Gaz

[GarryMember]

white rocket wrote:

just think of there poor old parents who have to support them between jobs .no one seems to think about that but do they 6 months a bit long i think

I am confronting that right now White and it is tough as he is old enough to vote and what not, but the government want to forget about them and make them a parent responsibility even though I do not get any tax benefits for it.

IMO, if they placed them on benefits then the government can and should push the need to meet certain requirements else benefits cease as many of these kids need to see and experience responsibility in order to become better people and workers.

The shame with a lot is that they leave uni or their education facility and want to earn 80k upwards immediately as that is what they are taught they are worth.

Damn these rants :laugh:

[Kent DuncanMember]

I honestly beleive that the kids up this way are just too lazy and would prefer to be drinking piss or smoking cones.
I work for fairly large O&G service company and my younger guys (21/22 year old tradesmen) start on approx $85k plus offshore allowance of about $150/day + paid day off for each day they are away. Good money in anyone’s language really.
I’ve had them call up telling me they’ve got a sore toe to can’t come in because they drank too much the night before. WTF!!
Now, here’s the problem..HR have to get involved whenever there is a problem with staff. These guys know it, know the system and how it works. Its just too hard to sack them as HR are too afraid in case Fair Work Aust gets involved and brings the company name into disrepute. So we have to continue to put up with idiots, admittedly they are given the sh!t jobs in the hope that they quit.
Currently we are getting most of our new recruit’s from Perth as graduate engineers in the hope of finding better quality. Seems to be working so far except they don’t know what a shifter is, so you have to start from scratch with them. Biggest problem I have is keeping them insulated from some of the older guys that like to fill their heads with crap, let them know their rights etc.
I think the govt and the parents are the ones to blame, bring back the cane in schools. Place turned to sh!t when they took that away..

[Ian KersleyMember]

This is an interesting thread in that I’ve just been made redundant after 29yrs and don’t won’t to retire
yet. Discrimination against older workers is a concern just hope somebody will give me a shot. At 57 the odds are probably against me .

bones

[Dwayne OMember]

bones wrote:

This is an interesting thread in that I’ve just been made redundant after 29yrs and don’t won’t to retire
yet. Discrimination against older workers is a concern just hope somebody will give me a shot. At 57 the odds are probably against me .

bones

Times are tough for sure Bones :whistle:
Hang in there mate, I`m not quite at 48 and also finding it tough. Only been really looking for a fortnight since being notofied of redundancy at Easter.

What I have learnt the past month is that you don`t always have to have the right skills for the job, just have to know how to network your way in from another angle !!!
It pays to be in the know and be talking to the “RIGHT” people for sure.
Something that I have usually avoided, sucking up to certain people rather than getting noticed on merit and competency alone. The incompetent suckholes & Yes Men usually end up at the top (I have seen far too many examples of it the past 10 yrs) :angry:
It cost me my last job and I`m now wiser for it and have learnt a lot of what to look for in a company before working for them !!! (presuming I have enough time to be picky) :laugh:

[steve mcdonaldMember]

Well That makes three of us, first time out of work since i was 16. Julie getting plenty of work, both boys working, I can only think of well maybe quick trip to finke, maybe simpson, or maybe a crossing ride all makes me pretty excited. But none of that pays the bills.

Bones dont worry about your age plenty of people still ride DR’S

[Dwayne OMember]

:laugh:
Plenty of blokes on DR`s hey ???
You cheeky bugger!

I was in an office today talking possible jobs and a guy came in said another large (shal remain unnamed on here) employer let all its casuals go today and have cut their permos to the bone, reduced shifts etc
It has been coming for a while and is going to get a lot worse it seems before turning the corner ???

Just shows that there are also a tonne of “Decent” workers out there looking around the markets now due to a massive industry downturn.
Hell, I`m even considering going onto a Traineeship at about a third of what I usually earn to lock something in and give the game time to recover :dry:

[Ian KersleyMember]

cowboy wrote:

Well That makes three of us, first time out of work since i was 16. Julie getting plenty of work, both boys working, I can only think of well maybe quick trip to finke, maybe simpson, or maybe a crossing ride all makes me pretty excited. But none of that pays the bills.

Bones dont worry about your age plenty of people still ride DR’S

This is also a first for me , never been out of work and only had two jobs in all that time.

As for the DR they are like me , low maintenance , reliable.
also don’t need to see the bank manager before I take it out of the shed.
You can ride and clean a DR on the same day.

bones

[DeanMember]

Life in Civvy street is getting tougher for sure My Brother who works clearing power lines around Kempsey has had to go out to lightning ridge for work for the past 3 weeks. On the other hand Navy is offering us quite significant retention bonuses :woohoo: If you are skilled at something there might be a calling for some of you ? As long as you are fit and mentally stable you can get a job in Defence. My hat goes off to anyone who runs a small business, There must be a lot of stresses associated with doing it?

Ollie

[Adrian SnowdenMember]

Quote from eagle
It pays to be in the know and be talking to the “RIGHT” people for sure.
Something that I have usually avoided, sucking up to certain people rather than getting noticed on merit and competency alone. The incompetent suckholes & Yes Men usually end up at the top (I have seen far too many examples of it the past 10 yrs) :angry:

Hey eags , I object to being called a suckhole!

Obviously every field is different, I have about 40 staff of all ages and even the worst ones are still of bloody good quality. It’s even a competition between the youngest ones to get more skills and post grad qualifications than everyone else. I wouldn’t swap any of them.

[Dwayne OMember]

Yeah Sorry,
My apologies to Snowy and the many other Obters that are professionals and achievers in what they do

I was referring to the type of people I have been exposed to during my latest position within a company that had no real understanding of the damage a “Boys Club” can do to the credibility of a business.
To be clear, this was in the Manufacturing sector and whilst there is a massive widespread downturn affecting this area currently, and I understand the company needs to restrict it`s spending and improve profitability to maintain it`s presence in the market.

However, there needs to be a better connection with the decisions made by some individuals and the way in which restructuring occurrs,,,
What I experienced was a sad, sad state of affairs that saw the clique members of the obvious “Boys Club” retained and placed in positions that they clearly have no proven , qualification,experience or idea of how to interact within those positions!!!
Far too many good, proven performers were overlooked and clearly not even in the running to be kept on :angry:

To be honest, I have grown within myself since parting ways with the company, enabling me to see the bigger picture more clearly.
I wish them well for the sake of the community, but to be honest hope I never have to have dealings with the group again

Sorry for the rant and heading off topic :laugh:

[Adrian SnowdenMember]

Didn’t say I was competent

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