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April 28, 2010 at 7:03 am #177104
ECKS-Man wrote:
Quote:white rocket wrote:Quote:just buy a ktm they come standard with good suspension wr forks have always sucked will they ever get it rightWash your mouth out Al! I’ll go back to a DRZ before I ride a KTM! :laugh:
Some small developments that need a word with the dealer have arisen. I will give the story in full once I have worked out what is going on.
:laugh: :laugh:
:side: :silly: :laugh: knew i would get a bite even got mr blue going
April 30, 2010 at 6:04 am #177106Well it turns out it has been a litany of errors so far!
Greg ordered the springs from Shock Treatment, giving them the details of the bike and my weight. He was sent a rear spring with .56kg/mm weight and the front springs are 0.46kg/mm… but I don’t know what bike they are for, because they are not for a WR250F!
I quick check on the Racetech website tells me that I should have been sold a 0.48kg/mm set for the forks and a 0.52kg/mm rear spring. Compare this to the 0.46 and 0.56 springs I was sold! No wonder it was ordinary to ride and the static sag was non-existent!!
Greg’s workshop then fitted these springs. They didn’t check that they were the correct ones. They didn’t check the fork oil or set static sag.
When Mick pulled the old forks apart it turned out that the right fork leg was almost completely out of oil and the left leg was quite low. The springs, as mentioned above, were not the right ones and are too short. Mick called me to see what I wanted to do and I went back to Greg.
Greg apologised profusely, and instantly refunded the labour component of the bill. He is chasing Shock Treatment regarding the incorrect springs being sent.
I am still working out whether I get the bike back to Greg to get the springs sorted out or let Mick do it. I think I’ll get Mick to finish it off, since the bike is there and he has it apart already. I’ll have to get him to do me up a bill (a fair one, based on his time) and Greg has insisted he will pay any of these costs.
So, as of right now, my ride on Sunday is looking pretty shakey!!
At least, dealing with a local, these problems can be sorted out face to face. I much prefer that to phone calls – there is nothing like eyeballing someone if you have a complaint! I’m not a nasty person, I have been very understanding about all this. I hold no grudge against Greg or Morris Motorcycles.
I’ll keep you posted!
April 30, 2010 at 12:40 pm #153671From an Old Bulls sponsors web site
http://www.teknikracing.com/teknikal-library/setup-guides/236-fact-sheet-yamaha-wr250f
If you look at the setup guide your previous reply is not making a lot of sense.
You now have Forks .46 & Shock 5.6
& you say you need…..
Forks .48 & shock 5.2 doesn’t make sense
Above link says
80-90kg Forks .46 & shock 5.6
90-100kg Forks .48 & shock 5.8
Now I’m no expert & stuck in my own dilema at the moment with my 450, I’d tend to follow the Teknik info. As i’m around the mid 90kg in gear thinking I need heavier than standard Springs in my bike, Nick has assured me with his updated valving & stock springs I’ll be ok, I’ve bought heavier fork springs in case I need them all though I was encouraged not to,
I’d been running a Tvalve kit & older valving set up for 8 months & just had my forks serviced & updated, I’m also running 5mm preload
If you were happy with your forks as they were, you’d be stoked with them if they’d been via Teknik’s w/shop
My riding level would be average trail rider, 30th Condo 750 2008 (Greg Elliot 29th) & Yellow Mountain 2009 40th outright. And it is my fitness not my suspension holding me back.
May 1, 2010 at 11:20 am #177374Dunno mate, I checked on the racetech site and the results I got are like this: click
Tells me the front should be 0.476kg/mm
Type of Riding: Desert / Enduro / Trail
Rider Weight: 95 kgFRONT FORK SPRINGS
Recommended Fork Spring Rate: 0.476 kg/mm (use closest available)
Stock Fork Spring Rate: .449 kg/mm (stock)
Available FRSP 4346 Series Springs are:Part Number Description Price Select to Buy
FRSP 434640 RT FRK SPR 43.5x461mm .40kg $109.99
FRSP 434642 RT FRK SPR 43.5x461mm .42kg $109.99
FRSP 434644 RT FRK SPR 43.5x461mm .44kg $109.99
FRSP 434646 RT FRK SPR 43.5x461mm .46kg $109.99
FRSP 434648 RT FRK SPR 43.5x461mm .48kg $109.99REAR SHOCK SPRING
Recommended Rear Shock Spring Rate: 5.19 kg/mm (use closest available)
Stock Shock Spring Rate: 4.7 kg/mm (stock)
Available SRSP 6228 Series Springs are:Part Number Description Price Select to Buy
SRSP 622840 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 4.0kg $109.99
SRSP 622842 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 4.2kg $109.99
SRSP 622844 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 4.4kg $109.99
SRSP 622846 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 4.6kg $109.99
SRSP 622848 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 4.8kg $109.99
SRSP 622850 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 5.0kg $109.99
SRSP 622852 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 5.2kg $109.99
SRSP 622854 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 5.4kg $109.99
SRSP 622856 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 5.6kg $109.99
SRSP 622858 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 5.8kg $109.99
SRSP 622860 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 6.0kg $109.99
SRSP 622864 RT SHK SPR 63.4×60.6×270 6.4kg $109.99Maybe it’s wrong? I’m no expert.
Either way, the fork springs I received are NOT numbered “FRSP” anything, and are too short for the job. So one way or the other that was stuffed up.
I think I will set the sag on the rear and give it a go, and get Mick to put the 0.47 springs from his forks into mine along with the T-Valve kit. Then send the incorrect spring back and see if I works at that. :S
May 1, 2010 at 11:35 pm #177403ECKS-Man wrote:
Quote:.Either way, the fork springs I received are NOT numbered “FRSP” anything, and are too short for the job. So one way or the other that was stuffed up.
I think I will set the sag on the rear and give it a go, and get Mick to put the 0.47 springs from his forks into mine along with the T-Valve kit. Then send the incorrect spring back and see if I works at that. :S
As I found out last week, if your mate is putting a Tvalve kit in, how old is it? & was it from Teknik? as they have upgraded their valving this year, It is meant to make a world of difference, I’m yet to find out as my bike is still spread over the workshop
May 2, 2010 at 9:40 am #177405I’m not completely sure, but I think that the T-valve kit was installed in the last month or two. It should be the latest version. Mick was happy with it and only upgraded to YZF forks because he picked them up cheap. He also rides harder and faster than me, so the YZF forks would suit his riding slightly better than the upgraded WRF ones, or so I am told.
May 2, 2010 at 10:00 am #177466I maybe just a old fashioned ECKS but I am a diesel mechanic so I dont do dentists work as that specialist stuff, meaning some things are better left to experts in that field. If you had sent the forks to Tekniks or the likes you would have them back and all would be done. Hell you did that with the DR and raved about how good they worked. Tekniks devoloped the kit and are updating all the time by all accounts.
This thread is more painful to watch unfold then pulling teeth
TB
May 2, 2010 at 11:03 am #177467Trailboss wrote:
Quote:I maybe just a old fashioned ECKS but I am a diesel mechanic so I dont do dentists work as that specialist stuff, meaning some things are better left to experts in that field. If you had sent the forks to Tekniks or the likes you would have them back and all would be done. Hell you did that with the DR and raved about how good they worked. Tekniks devoloped the kit and are updating all the time by all accounts.This thread is more painful to watch unfold then pulling teeth
TB
Ok, I acknowledge that I went with a local rather than a specialist, possibly in error. It was a conscious decision to look after a local bloke. If I’d have had the money I would have probably gone to Teknik or Terry Hay or someone like that direct. Sometimes it is worth giving someone a chance to prove themselves. Sometimes not. This was the latter case. Frankly I’d like more people to give locals a go before assuming things have to go to an out-of-town specialist. Maybe I’m the old fashioned one. :blush: :unsure:
Anyway the whole thing is not finalised yet. I’ve got major shit piled on my plate which won’t be aired here. The bike has dropped pretty low on the list of priorities right now.
Thanks for your helpful input there TB, by the way. “I told you so” never read so well.
:kiss:
May 2, 2010 at 11:07 am #177473I am not saying I told you so I am stating my thoughts and how painful this is to read, and no one here on is more for the local or Australian then me.
TB
May 5, 2010 at 2:21 am #177075white rocket wrote:
Quote:just buy a ktm they come standard with good suspension wr forks have always sucked will they ever get it rightHaha love it. Keep the flag flying Al.
So Ecks, you got a local shop to do your suspension?? Once apon a time when the people that worked in such shops actually cared about their customers and had people work there that knew more than the average joe, yes I would have done the same. Not now. Most bike shops in my opinion are only for buying new bikes off the showroom floor like car dealers. I order all parts online and educate myself off this Internet thing. It would pain me to send my suspension away to an expert but if that is what had to be done then I probably would. Then I would pull them all apart and check they did it right.
May 6, 2010 at 7:12 am #177924Yeah Axel, gave someone the benefit of the doubt and, well, the doubt was there for a reason it seems! I’ll be getting Mick to do my work in future. He works cheaper, does a better job, explains it to me and even helps sort out other problems while he is at it.
Once I get some personal stuff sorted out I will get back to the bike. Right now, it ain’t happening, other than getting the correct springs from Greg tomorrow, then I have to organise for Mick to get them in the forks for me.
Maybe I should have gone with the instinct to sell the bike… not a lot of ride time happening lately and not looking like a great season for me either.
TB, I know you personally so I was not offended by your comments. I know what you are saying, I just hope you can see my side as well. I’ll get the thing sorted, and the bottom line dollar-wise will be comparable to the DRZ upgrade I did. Just a shame it has turned into a shitfight in the middle!
Stay tuned folks, actually no, forget that, I’ll get back to you when I have some good news to report!
May 6, 2010 at 9:01 am #178117Good thinking mate. I am sure Mick would do the right thing. Best to trust someone you know well and not-for-profit, over local shops anyday. Good luck eh!
May 6, 2010 at 9:06 am #178118Hell ECKS I know why you did what you did and I support the local whenever I can
. I was surprised by a few things and one was after how happy you were with your DR forks that you sent to a specialist and had valved and sprung you recommended it to other people. I know Greg at Morris’s my family knows him and have done longer then I have been around, so my problems not with the local in question as he runs a GOOD shop and I know why you did what you did, its a small town and you know him. Mate whatever happens I hope you get it sorted. I haven’t said and wont I told you so because I didnt. My thing was valving especially on a WR from what I hear but thats a whole other story :laugh:
Good luck and let me know when your sorted I have some new singles in Orange to ride and will be spending a bit more time up there so I need someone to ride withTB
May 17, 2010 at 9:37 am #178125Finally, some good news!
The bike is back, the forks are sorted, the rear shock is sorted and all within my budget!
Huge thanks to Mick at Catombal for his input, labour and bits.
The final washup is that I now have:
Correct weight springs in the forks
A T-Valve setup in the forks which has resolved the bottoming problem
Correct weight rear spring
Fork oil levels set correctlyAnd I forgot to get the leaking fork seal sorted… :blush:
But anyway, Mick said he will give me a hand with that in a week or two.
The saga is over (fork seal doesn’t count).
Lesson learnt:
Suspension needs to be done by those blokes who know what they are doing. Sadly this is a quite expensive option (usually) for a WRF. T-Valve setups are usually $500 for parts alone. Springs were $380 for both ends. I can’t think of anyone who has had their WRF suspension done by a pro for less than $1000. (Except me!) While I did achieve my goal of upgrading for about the same money as it cost me for the DRZ, the hassle was just insane. If I’d have had the budget there is no doubt I’d have gone to one of the pro’s. I didn’t and it cost me in time instead.While I had my heart in the right place by going to Morris Motorcycles, this job was beyond their capabilities. This does not mean I won’t shop there again. I will be back and recommend them for things like purchasing gear. Might upgrade my knee guards with a nice set I saw in there on the weekend.
So, I now have forks that don’t blow through the stroke and suck the joy out of riding. The plushness I liked before is slightly harsher, but I have clickers to play with yet. It will probably need a few clicks less on the compression, but that’s nothing really. There is no problem on jumps with bottoming, the stroke firms up nicely and is very confidence inspiring.
I’m not yet convinced that this setup is as good (or ever will be) as my RG3 suspension on the DRZ, but it makes the bike worth riding again!
Looking forward to putting a few hundred k’s on them in the near future!
May 17, 2010 at 9:42 am #179389Thats good ECKS :laugh: you got some good ideas there, enjoy your new ride now mate glad it worked out
TB
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