[Bruce CurtisMember]

It’s the rebirthers and born agains…..

see them all the time paddling their 300kg behemoth cruisers down the street, feet don’t go on the pegs until they hit 40 klicks… and braking consists of big handful of front and sticking both feet out.

poor buggers

Bruce

[Bruce CurtisMember]

menace wrote:

actually the first YZ 250 WR was in 1989 and it had basically the same set up as Bruce’s.

im rebiulding one for a mate at the moment and sourcing parts…

they are so similar… :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

bloody old schoolers….

thats YOU and the bike Bruce :laugh: :laugh:

Not sure on the ’89, but the 91/92 had a real fat lowend and midrange, that didn’t taper off at all, they used to stomp the MXers of the time in accelleration and topspeed…. the way an enduro bike should behave, all balls and ballerina turning ability…

when you get it back together Menace, take it for a good ride, I rode a ’92 a few months back, put a huge smile on my face…. nice rear suspension ratios too…

[Bruce CurtisMember]

You blokes are funny buggers, specially seeing as right now on another forum myself and Robo are having a discussion on pre-70 european MXers….

Truly LC4 they have really only changed the frame material and gone to SSS forks since mine, same geos, engine, all fits mine, the tank is designated for a ’10 model everything, see most people don’t get it with the YZs and RMs they have long model runs, and unless you wanna just throw money, just upgrade the old one.. same bike

[Bruce CurtisMember]

LC4skin wrote:

There is no effing way a 2003 model YZ handles better then a brand new enduro 4 stroke or 2 stroke of any make or capacity.

has upgraded forks by MPE done last year, G2s, reworked shock by MPE, new springs, has steering geo same as this years model, weighs under 100kgs dry, turns on a penny has upgraded brakes (Courtesy of Tb)

so tell me why LC4?….

BTW I regularly ride new bikes, and new bikes too, not stuck in a time warp, just haven’t found anything that handles sharper except an RM250 or the 2T 125s…
I love advancement, I love technology that works, so far I’m unimpressed with the last few years except the Husabergs, and I’m still waiting on more.

very clever Michael, did they teach you that at Newspaper university too?..

[Bruce CurtisMember]

So going on Hattos logic, I’ll take the poor old battered YZ down to the RTA, smile at the nice ladies and bloke(not nice at all, real Selma and Thelmas) and they will pay me to get it registered.. as it is a poor battered old thing from last century….

see

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Scotty wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

O
226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)

Again Bruce either you need to find a new insurer or you have a very bad driving history which is inflating your rates. ( Maybe a teensy weensie bit Snr Sgt Scott…)My 400cc bike cost $256 for green slip this year at city rates.

truth is I haven’t rechecked since last december as I got annoyed and haven’t ridden the bike on crown lands since, and every now and then I get a wee speeding every few years, but nothing special…

I didn’t go through with full rego, because ages ago Mr CJBurns gave me a heads up as TB knows.. we spoke of it over 6 months ago, and me being a stubborn grumpy old bloke said “right I’m a holdin out for this here rec rego thing, and save me a few hunnerd shekels” and so I did.

I am nothing else if not hard headed.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

“03 YZ250WR full ADR compliant, but is really just an ’03 YZ250 with a lighting coil and dogleg muffler and brake switches…

the everything else is the same, so I’m cool, but I do know a few others who would love a vicco style setup, but I am grateful for what we will get TB.

If I wanna ride formed sanitised roads.. well got the bigbore weapon for that too….

Hatto I am very hard to offend, might have opinions, but they change and morph as I do try to listen and take in others as well, no single one of us is always right or always wrong, and I agree, some of my rant is a bit of sour grapes at where the enduro bikes have gone, I suppose I thought enduro bikes would be hard edged like the old ITs and PEs narrow focus, but reality is they are hard edged trail bikes with enduro capabilities.

I am as TB says very narrow focus in my likes, sharp handling, instant power and lightweight.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

No offence Greg, all debate is healthy, however as i just said the enduro 4Ts ARE boring, any moron can ride one fast, until they stuff up, there’s so much soak in the chassis and the powerplant is indeed boring, oh yeah like my roadbike just twist and fly, but no skill, the feedback is boring… I guess what I am saying is no character on a whole.
the new Honda CRF I rode a few weeks ago, was a delight to ride if you like that sort of thing, powerful (not responsive in my books though), comfortable, 30 kg wet heavier than my bike and great suspension… a nice bike to ride, but not as much adrenaline pump as a say YZ450F

I would as discussed like to see a few more options enter the market back to a YZ250WR, a RMX250, likes of WMWcr etc, (BTW TB, MY bike uses the same engine and chassis dimensions as the 2011 model… , actually reality is they haven’t changed since ’03, and still is the top finishing 250 in amcross in the states) but at this stage my next bike is going to be a GASGAS as they and the other euros have kept the faith of the lightweight, steerable 2T alive ad It’s ADRd too.

anyway back on subject, Rec Rego will be a great thing, bring it on I’ll be down at the RTA with the YZ asap….
Oh and the CTP increases happened just after my rego lapsed in qld anyway, so it was poor timing for me personally, but the rec setup will make up for that.

again CJBURNS & Comrades well done

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Sorry AAron, didn’t see this at the time, to answer yes, and my ’03 style WR guard was replaced with the newer shaped one from acerbis from meory, much sleeker and cleaner.

this is it

[Bruce CurtisMember]

OK-debate is gettig healthy now.
a few points a lot, actually a hell of a lot of professional riders use MX bikes with tweaks as race bikes for enduro, the national H&Hound series in the USA is basically dominated by MX bikes, 2T at that.
Now I know most of us aren’t even at clubman level if we were competitiors, however some of us like a responsive bike.
There have been many examples of factories fitting bikes out with ADR type equipment and then seeling them as “enduro”
And the qualifications to descern betwixt bikes… well I have been race prepping and building bikes for myself and others since well teenage years. this is not rocket science it’s very basic stuff the only real areas that can’t be easily tweaked is lateral bump absorption as typically an MXer has more frame feedback and is stiffer in the headstock area and runds a slightly shorter wheelbase, which to me is more conducive to ST anyway.

Enduro bikes on a whole are far more “boring to ride” someone said the MXers had less lowend power, well mostly this is a furphy, they mostly have less inertia, flywheel effect, in fact they have more power everywhere for a given capacity.

Someone else trotted out the “how long I’ve been riding for caper”…. I’ll let that one go methinks, don’t need to start the whole my dick is bigger cwap, those who know me know what my whole life has revolved around.

each rider is different, some of us like slow response heavy bikes they make them feel planted and safe, some like bags of torque, others like instant zap and lightweight, this is where both the 4T and 2T MXer’s rule.

I agree with Menace too, the Vicco system is fairly easy to get through, and it seems to me that some people want to be elitist, well I have been through that stage when MY sport got popular, I wanted to jump up and down and tell all the modern adult entrants to pay their dues with being hassled and being made to be an outcast at school for being one of only half a dozen bike riders, but then I realised … “for the same reason I have enjoyed and been able to enjoy should be open to anyone with the ability, it’s a freedom that many should be able to persue in a free world. always remembering that with certain freedoms come responsibility which was why I actually started this thread in the first place.

We should not look down upon others who may ride older or less expensive bikes, we should be giving them an opportunity to ride safely and legally, this was reinforced recently by a stalwart of the motorcycle fraternity to me locally, he is proposing and self-financing a falttrack club for juniors to help give somewhere for all the kids on older bikes to ride and have a bit of fun, in a controlled and mildly competitive environment, and seeing as the people he has coached and fostered in this sport (including Our most ever successful world champion) I believe his approach is right, and rec rego could actually be a good follow on.

Not everybody has the resources to buy, maintain and full rego a 2011 FE570…

Oh here where the changes in rego (sorry ctp)

100-225cc (calc came out at ~$162, roughly the same as current 0-300)
226-725cc ( $340, more for those up to 300cc, less for those between 300-725cc)
726-1025cc ( $508, same as current 300cc+)
over 1025cc ($625 on a 1200cc, up from $508)

some of you lads may not have been hit hard… some of us where, especially when we as a whole only claim less than $80 per rider per greenslip, now those of us who have memories that work, will remember when John dellabosca introduced the CTP idea it was $20 for a sub-300cc bike!!!!!!!!!

just cause it didn’;t happen to you, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

ttr250 up, R6 down, gpx 750 same, fjr1300 up

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Scotty wrote:

Bruce I think for most people 45 times a year is more than enough, certainly more than I ride and I do see the benefit for people like yourself. As for $600 a year for rego you are getting bent over. My DRZ is due next month, $366 all up and thats for city rates, country get it cheaper. Yep still more than the proposed $120 (I’ll believe that when I see it) but a long way short of $600.

correction Scotty on my behalf, yes i was thinking of my roadbikes rego, not the YZs… still it went through the roof overnight, it did more than double.

also elsewhere on another fora CJburns let it be known that only around 25-30% of CTP paid by motorcyclists was being paid out, it turned out the insurance lobbyists had “Miscalculated”, and the new government is going to review, as it appears we have been getting majorly scalped for quite some time… (around 15 years) by this “miscalculating” technique.
CTP should in fact have halfed, not doubled…

It’s a bad day when we can’t trust an insurance company…:S

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I’m not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any statement, I don’t think the vicco solves all issues, but a partial solution is better than none, a cure for 90% of cancers certainly beats the heck out of nothing.

I do however worry about as you said, backyarders and china pitties running around with rec rego, maybe like a list from the RTA as per competitions regs would be the go. IE: these makes and models can be eligible, I am sure the coffs MCC laddies would be only too happy to provide a list of bikes they allow at comps.

I think this is great for the likes of me, I haven’t ridden in the bush since last year due to letting my rego lapse in QLD then sheer frustration at the 120% increase in NSW in the meantime.

I would happily pay my 120 oxfords to ride 45 times a year on approved crown lands, which would be 10-15 more than I get in currently.

whereas say $600 for 30 rides is a bit of a larf…..

I see nothing but good coming from this whole Recreational Registration and insurances thing

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Ok a few points.

As CJ said it appears the NSW REC REGO model will be confined to bikes that are conplaint with the Australian Design Rules, now firstly a bike bearing an ADR approval is not necessarily superior in any way to one not bearing it.

Secondly, in VIC the rules ARE such that a MXer can be retroftted with lights and so forth and be inspected and pass, remember most ADRs are to do with tar going safety and visuals.

Thirdly, who n their right mind would dismiss some of the cutting edge MXers as a sound platform for a good enduro bike or even a good mount for a competent trail rider?

to utter that statement shows lack of experience.

Then the whole other matter, this is not the end of our sport, it is a new facet. Dickheads will still abound, dickheads on rego’d bikes, dickheads on unrego, Dickeds on Rec rego, disckheads on pitbikes, and dickheads in 4WDs too.

Dickheads are attracted to masculine pastimes, part of their little weiner complex, and another axiom i sear by.
Not every bike rider is a wanker, but rest assurred every wanker has ridden one

and CJ Burns, as i have stated across the the various mediums, as a fraternity of brothers and Sisters, we as a whole owe you and your comrades at Coffs a big Harrah for your perserverance and selfless work… three cheers for these Blokes and Blokettes.

Bruce Cee

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I totally agree with TB with this, one caveat though, I also find in a bind chainsaw bar lube is really good too, it is tacky and catches the finer particles well.

Having said this I have never ever in 40+ years dusted a bike even when using plain 2t oil as a filter oil, but then again the filter media has changed a bit since we did that.

No excuse for dusting an engine unless the filter disintegrates.

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Corey8 wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

New and ADR’d Corey?

GasGas250/300
KTM250/300 exc
Husky 250/300

Non-ADR’d YZ250

Yes ADR blue.

what about the husaberg 300te? he is looking more 300+ cc

Blue KTM?
GasGas is better overall bike, he does know the 250s as a rule are faster bikes?

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