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Without trying to come off as “SUPER HARDCORE BLOKE” cause I’m not, maybe a couple of the blokes I ride with are, but hell no not this little black duck
micknmeld wrote:Quote:Bago
Yep S/T
Yep S/TThe cells
Yes-flowing S/TComboyne
Open trail
Twin Trail
Twin trail
It’s a bloody vreek, no idea what either side is
Yep S/T
Paddock, cows live here
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Firetrail
S/T
Twin trail
Firetrail interstate hwy
Flowing S/T- more twin side by side riding is easily done
Firetrail
Technical S/T
Technical s/T
Firetrail
Firetrail
Swamp WTF
S/TThis was a single in the morning. Aussie Offroad
A commercial piggery with with the farmer rounding up the pigs on his sons race weaponmore or less the same opinions, just slightly different views, plus they’re piccys so a bit harder to visualise
The council here is full of bikers, Road, Dirt, Track, and race officials and Dads & Mums of riders, the Mayor owns three bikes, the GM a few, the Risk manager and his family, most of the outdoor workers, even a compliance Officer who had to fine bike riders for noise offences is a lifelong enduro rider.
The council has welcomed bikes for years and continues to do so, confrimed yesterday by Our GM in the local press, but we need rules and boundaries. And that my friends is the hard part.
Some farmers don’t want visitors, Businesses do, Some newly arrived treechangers are making us enforce state laws that are frankly draconian, it’s a bloody mess and it would be too easy to walk away if one wasn’t passioniate about this, if it was canoes or 4wders I’d say “ban the barstards”.
But it’s not it’s my lifelong passion so if I get involved and still remain reasonably neutral while trying to find common ground between the Doers and the Donters maybe we can win this one and show the others how it could be.
But if we run into overwhelming opposition we’re stuffed
I agree, the only misconception I have allowed is yes I own a YZ250, but after searching and searching I finally found one, it’s the elusive last of the YZ250WRs Adr’d, bought it 3 years ago now, cause as a responsible man of the area, I must be seen to be doing the right thing, and have peace of mind as well, cause for me it would be embarassing to be caught and booked by my former workmates.
I love MX style power and handling moreso than enduro, it sits better with me, so after selling my KTM300 slush puppie with teeth, I searched the land high and low for a registerable MXer.
But not all have the patience or resources as I so and if there was Rec Rego availiable I would’ve bought an RM250 in a flash and converted it.
micknmeld wrote:
Quote:It is a pity that it has come to this really. When we were kids we could ride in the bush,no worries. I am lucky to have private bush trails to ride and share with my kids. They love riding bush trails,we really need more recreational areas that family groups can enjoy riding in the bush as it is great fun to ride as a family and it also helps build riding skills you wont get on a MX track.I agree Michael, and you make a very valid point about skillsets, I spent 10 years out of the bush and riding MX, Flattrack & road racing, Back in the bush I am next to useless, ever tried cornering in ST with one leg out turning with the rear laid over…..?? Mmm let’s see… Mmm it hurts alot.
Logs do not give you lift like an upramp, and trees are not as soft as tyre walls…
I sometime reckon I’ll never get the rythym for the bush right, it’s a completely different set of skills, even looking ahead and through corners is impossible.
Give us some bush to teach our kids and I’ll gladly pay a fee (nominal of course, after all I am a cheapskate)
Hatto I may HAVE been a bit harsh, but to explain I am dealing with this as a point person for a riding mecca, and I believe it is a certaintype of person, not the bike selection.
I believe in your area it’s more bogans, these people I don’t consider bike riders anyway, it’s like the wise man saidNOT ALL BIKE RIDERS ARE DICKHEADS, BUT EVERY DICKHEAD RIDES A BIKE
and that my friend is where I believe the problems lays, the dickheads, and diskheads actons are indefensible.
But the bike itself has no say in who owns it.
So on the points you mention as applies to dickheads I will agree, for everyone else… I stand by mine
Bruce
Can’t be beggared typing it all out again , especially since I just went a round with a stark raving loony whinger anyway
Hatto wrote:Quote:Thought I’d have a rant this morning soMX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.
Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.- Rec rego is the answerLighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference- up to 17 kilos between comparable models Hatto, huge difference if you ride with feeling
Suspension is better – not for the bush.One example SSS suspension on the MX yamahas is arguably the best ex-factory suspension ever, on a MX bike near you now
Cons
Won’t lug in S/tYou’re kidding me ain’t you hatto, are you talking 4T only, cause an rm250/Yz250 will drop the revs slow low that you can count the strokes, long after most enduros have flamedOverheat- Mmm how so, usually the cooling systems are the same, advance curves and comp ratios may be different but in this area (very hot) let’s talk KTM EXCx and husaberg FE and several others.
No button start- Ok this is an advantage? it’s a nicety, but given the preference of either an E-start or kick only I’ll have the kicker, my batteries get low but not flat.
Loud- Mmm all 4Ts are loud, this is one of the major complaints we hear at the moment and after a rider check last weekend it was to a tee registered “trailbikes”, I’ll bet you a pound to a penny that unless you put forward a stock DRZ most 2T MXers will be heaps quieter.
Against the law-Agreed
Un-rego’d- should rec rego, but until then agreed
Un-licensed- agreed
Un-insured- see above comment
Harsh suspension-For me and many others all stock suspension is a joke so really moot unless you like riding a mushy
Will get riding areas closed down-ALL bikes are contributing to this, at the moment the place I work for is at the forfront of this problem in NSW, we have literally thousands of bikers in the region every weekend, and the main complaints
Noise NOISE NOISE
RUBBISH left behind
Parking on road verges in bad spots
Going onto PP and opening gates
The complainants don’t know what sort of bikes they are, what insurance is held, or who the riders are, the hate the NOISE, the continuous riding of the boundaries and the gates being opened and their land being crossed. They don’t come in and say “all these unregistered unlicenced Motocross riders are doing this (which isn’t true anyway), just “TRAILBIKESCostly if you hurt someone else-yeah
No torque-Hatto you’re smarter than that, HP is a byproduct of torque, MX bikes have higher HP than enduro, no brainer
Fuel range- subjective, some enduro bikes are coming out qwith 8 litre tanks, and MXers with 8.5, so it’s not true, and actually irrelelvant to this argument anyway
Maintenance-let’s not go here, that’s a, personal thing Xr650 riders would spew at my maintenance being too much, I spew at 4504ts needing so much etc etc, it’s what you accept, not an argument against a certain style of bike
Hatto my problem with your rant is mainly I don’t agree (obviously) and you generalise too much and it’s too easy to refute what you say. This type of rant is dividing the sport, Us V MXers, great.
Now you may have got the idea it’s a hot topic for me, bloody oath, there are some lads & Lasses trying to get rec rego passed as we speak, and it’s looking good. There is a huge countermovement here in NSW north where ALL riders are banding together and asking some pretty serious questions at public meetings, and the council is trying to formulate a plan to help and define co-existance of the different interests.
The problem with some older blokes is they become “elitist” and believe it is only a pastime for those like themselves, they forget the younger crew or those who just want and deserve choice rather than put up with the mush that is offered under “enduro” bike guise.Stick together, as divide & Conquer is what the gsme is.
I can keep going on cause we’ve spent the past 4 months gathering evidence for a management plan here and the results are not as people think, it’
s the “legal” mature riders who are causing the most negative publicity, a few kids on MXers are not spoken of, and usually they’re such a minority up here that no-one considers them worthy of special attention.Apparently my rebuttal to you Hatto got lost in an alternate universe (Micks version of events) so I will type it up again later.
Hatto wrote:
Quote:Thought I’d have a rant this morning soMX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.
Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.No rego required so save money – crap- people spend $1200 on aftermarket pipe, this alone would pay for 3 years of rego
Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference
Suspension is better – not for the bush.
Cons
Won’t lug in S/t
Overheat
No button start
Loud
Against the law
Un-rego’d
Un-licensed
Un-insured
Harsh suspension
Will get riding areas closed down
Costly if you hurt someone else
No torque
Fuel range
MaintenanceThe list goes on.
We all love this sport of ours and hope that we can do it until we have to give it away -lets not shorten that time by allowing the minorities to succeed.We have to be united in our stand for support of our sport, but will never win or achieve this until we show that we are law abiding.
Wake up mx riders in the bush and do the right thing, before it’s to late, you will be the first people to whinge when it happens.
Rant over
Hatto
If I may Hatto I will address some of the misconceptions/generalisations in this rant of yours, but prior to this i will state that apparently REC REGO is being seriously considered by the authorities in NSW as we speak, now I know some of the purists on here argue against it, but to me that’s as good as my argument that Middle-aged wanna-bes should not be allowed to buy their first dirtbike until learning humility and respect for the sport.
Anyway.
point 1-Won’t lug in S/t,
Maybe a 250f won’t but an RM250/YZ250/KX250/250sx will hold a much lower RPM constant before flaming out than any 450 or 2504t. For that matter a 4504T Mxer will lug well enough, and if you are getting down that low maybe you need to look at skills improvement, no bike bar a trials bike is designed to be ridden at walking pace.Point 2-overheat
True for some, false for many others, radiators are the same as are the waterpumps on most crossover engines, other factors may come into play, but I’ll tell you the KTM excs we ride with overheat more than the MX based mountsPoint 3- Button start??
Do I really need to say anything here Hatto?, see my point about middle-aged blokes for clarificationpoint 4- Loud
this is not a enduro v Mxer thing it’s a wanker v responsible rider thing, I will guarantee my MX based bike is quieter than anything here other than a stock piped DRZ.Point 5-8 & 11
AgreedPoint 9-Harsh suspension
I get on a stock MXer or ADRed bike they are all mush to me ex-factory, so my suspension get’s tuned for me, does any really serious rider not do this?Point 10- Land closures
I am heavily involved in this ATM about land closures locally, the compliants are not worried about rego etc(although it does get mentioned as an afterthought) but moreso noise, rubbish, parking of cars, Opening gates, riding on PP, speeds they ride at. Now many of these transgressors after doing a saturday survey recently are Registered bikes from interstate, so it applies to a cross-section and to be honest up here you see very few locals or interstae riding on crown/public lands on unrego bikes, it’s as far as the local committee can tell a furphy.Point 12-torque.
You are kidding aren’t you, Mxers have generally more power, HP is a byproduct of torque, mine will out torque a 250F or a 350 anyday of the week.Point 13-fuel range
Too much of a generalisation, some enduro bikes are coming out with rediculously small tanks pinched from the MX bikes they are derived from, besides some riders like myself and the groups I ride with somedays do only 30ks in 6 hours, we tend to leave big ks to the adv riders and firetrail kings who dice with the 4wds and farmers.Point 14-maintenance.
I could say this of 250f riders, it’s what you as an individual accept, not for others to criticize or we’d all ride DR650s and the like. I personally accept a new topend at 80 hours as reasonable and 10 hours from my Trannie fluid. An XR650 rider would scoff at that, whereas a 250F rider would only dream of it.
It’ is neither right nor wrong it just is.I agree we must be united and that means not dcreating internal divisions by condemnation but by offering assistance and support to all facets of our sport, to scoff at another lot is to be elitist and that is something I never ever thought we would degrade ourselves into becoming, but I guess it’s like the born again bikers riding harleys and chrome blingships amongst the roadset who don’t wave to sportsbikers because they feel superior.
Hatto wrote:
Quote:Thought I’d have a rant this morning soMX bike in the bush -why the hell do people do it.
Our sport is in danger of being destroyed by the do gooders in society and yet there are still people out there insistant on riding un-registered mx bike in the bush. Wake up and do the right thing for the good of the sport.I have no doubt this will create some discussion pro- cons but it is a non argument. There is no justification at all.
Pros
mx bikes are cheaper – yeah but at what cost, If these people insist on doing it, they wont have access to ride it, no point having a cheap bike if you can’t use it. The first time you get caught, will make up the difference between rego-non rego bike.No rego required so save money – crap- people spend $1200 on aftermarket pipe, this alone would pay for 3 years of rego
Lighter – is a couple kilo’s a real difference
Suspension is better – not for the bush.
Cons
Won’t lug in S/t
Overheat
No button start
Loud
Against the law
Un-rego’d
Un-licensed
Un-insured
Harsh suspension
Will get riding areas closed down
Costly if you hurt someone else
No torque
Fuel range
MaintenanceThe list goes on.
We all love this sport of ours and hope that we can do it until we have to give it away -lets not shorten that time by allowing the minorities to succeed.We have to be united in our stand for support of our sport, but will never win or achieve this until we show that we are law abiding.
Wake up mx riders in the bush and do the right thing, before it’s to late, you will be the first people to whinge when it happens.
Rant over
Hatto
If I may Hatto I will address some of the misconceptions/generalisations in this rant of yours, but prior to this i will state that apparently REC REGO is being seriously considered by the authorities in NSW as we speak, now I know some of the purists on here argue against it, but to me that’s as good as my argument that Middle-aged wanna-bes should not be allowed to buy their first dirtbike until learning humility and respect for the sport.
Anyway.
point 1-Won’t lug in S/t,
Maybe a 250f won’t but an RM250/YZ250/KX250/250sx will hold a much lower RPM constant before flaming out than any 450 or 2504t. For that matter a 4504T Mxer will lug well enough, and if you are getting down that low maybe you need to look at skills improvement, no bike bar a trials bike is designed to be ridden at walking pace.Point 2-overheat
True for some, false for many others, radiators are the same as are the waterpumps on most crossover engines, other factors may come into play, but I’ll tell you the KTM excs we ride with overheat more than the MX based mountsPoint 3- Button start??
Do I really need to say anything here Hatto?, see my point about middle-aged blokes for clarificationpoint 4- Loud
this is not a enduro v Mxer thing it’s a wanker v responsible rider thing, I will guarantee my MX based bike is quieter than anything here other than a stock piped DRZ.Point 5-8 & 11
AgreedPoint 9-Harsh suspension
I get on a stock MXer or ADRed bike they are all mush to me ex-factory, so my suspension get’s tuned for me, does any really serious rider not do this?Point 10- Land closures
I am heavily involved in this ATM about land closures locally, the compliants are not worried about rego etc(although it does get mentioned as an afterthought) but moreso noise, rubbish, parking of cars, Opening gates, riding on PP, speeds they ride at. Now many of these transgressors after doing a saturday survey recently are Registered bikes from interstate, so it applies to a cross-section and to be honest up here you see very few locals or interstae riding on crown/public lands on unrego bikes, it’s as far as the local committee can tell a furphy.Point 12-torque.
You are kidding aren’t you, Mxers have generally more power, HP is a byproduct of torque, mine will out torque a 250F or a 350 anyday of the week.Point 13-fuel range
Too much of a generalisation, some enduro bikes are coming out with rediculously small tanks pinched from the MX bikes they are derived from, besides some riders like myself and the groups I ride with somedays do only 30ks in 6 hours, we tend to leave big ks to the adv riders and firetrail kings who dice with the 4wds and farmers.Point 14-maintenance.
I could say this of 250f riders, it’s what you as an individual accept, not for others to criticize or we’d all ride DR650s and the like. I personally accept a new topend at 80 hours as reasonable and 10 hours from my Trannie fluid. An XR650 rider would scoff at that, whereas a 250F rider would only dream of it.
It’ is neither right nor wrong it just is.I agree we must be united and that means not dcreating internal divisions by condemnation but by offering assistance and support to all facets of our sport, to scoff at another lot is to be elitist and that is something I never ever thought we would degrade ourselves into becoming, but I guess it’s like the born again bikers riding harleys and chrome blingships amongst the roadset who don’t wave to sportsbikers because they feel superior.
micknmeld wrote:
Quote:when I was about 15 a mate hit one set in the bush near Blacktown. He was standing up when he hit it and copped it across his chest. He had a nasty welt across his chest for a day or two, even with the “extreme” protection of his Tycon padded jersey.Just as well it wasn’t wet Mick, or it woulda offered great knee protection only….
I have come across these, but only were there is a bit of “cash cropping” going on….
Which does happen up here from time to time…. :unsure:
Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Mr Blue wrote:Quote:like all deisels BORING as batpoop.Thats fast changing Bruce with common rail injection, VGT turbos, compound turbo charging etc they go well now for what they are, certainly better then years gone by.
And they have changed the name to diesels as well now :laugh:
TB
You are right, we have a couple of turbo dIEsel sedans here at work now, and while no 1/4 mile burners they go significantly better and get great mileage compared to the older turbo injector style engines, but still not a thing I’d drive for fun.
But as an everyday driver i agree most certainly.(Still prefer a free breathing modded 32 valve quad cam petrol with a good exhaust and aftermarket tune…, more fun, but we won’t speak of mileage)
I reckon having had both the Hilux & Navara dIEsels for a few years eaxch in recent years, the hilux while great vehicle is NOT worth the premium commanded for them, the difference is just not that great.
And I actually reckon the Ford ranger(ahem, cough cough) is a better one altogether, we just replaced a whole fleet of hiluxes (and the fleet manager is toyota all the way) with half rangers/ half Colarados, both seem like excellent vehicles, but bloody heck the Rangers get along very smoothly (for a dIEsel)1938 M20 or M22, uncle has a couple of the granfathers and his vrothers old ones, the header section is different and the muffler section is larger than the star series, but then it could be a 1937 like Hatto says, either way it’s one of the newer (late 30s) engines as the older ones had exposed pushrods and total loss oil systems.
Nice Pic Mick, sorry to hear of your Grandads passing, obviously he handed down the passion eh?
had a D22 for a few years (’06 model) good solid vehicle, in some ways better than the lux, several mates have them as well certainly a strong reliable unit and very popular, but like all deisels BORING as batpoop.
micknmeld wrote:
Quote:Trailboss wrote:Quote:. The XR normally gets 500km changes but has done events like the Condo750 where it’s done over 1000kms and the oil still looked good.TB
How did you do over 1000km’s in a 800km race??? :huh:
Get lost or something?? :laugh:My thoughts as well Michael, TB musta done a bit of backtracking methnks, or his speedo’s out?
I use reasonable oil in our cars full changes and filter every 5000ks religiously Mrs Cees hard driven Laser has over 300,000 now is just starting to show signs of needing an engine freshen up, and my modded Rodeo with over 220hp at the rear is frsh as a daisy at 250,000 of sometimes abusive driving.
My thoughts have always been a reasonable to good quality oil changed on time with a new filter and any changes in engine behaviour or oil consistency when dropped out investigated and resolved.
Serves me well.
I wonder if you can retrofit the new peg section to the older pivot/mounts?
Buy a set for the young blokes bike and put my 50mm on his and take the 60mm for my bigger feet?
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