[Bruce CurtisMember]

white rocket wrote:

Trailboss wrote:

So have we fixed all the problems yet :huh:

TB

think we are changing the world through the internet :silly: and also full of :whistle:

Behind the times Rocket old man, Forums and so forth are being monitored by some bodies to gauge reaction to policy, the recent 49000 objections on facebook to a set of regulations being enforced is but one case of the lawmakers running back to their drawing books.
I am lucky enough to be closer to the action than many, but a factor you blokes never think of is the LOCAL politicians where the activities are being carried out are the ones who will push the hardest, what gain is there for a metro based pollie to change bush regs?
and we have a few good ones

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Scotty wrote:

white rocket wrote:

the rules suck thats why they disregard the rules its simple as that i reckon and the government want to get a dollar out of everything to so they won t change

Rocket, I agree our current rules suck but you could make a system where it cost $20 per year and you were covered to ride where ever and what ever you liked, with full insurance and there would still be people who would not pay.

Do you really want a free for all in the bush with unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed riders doing as they pleased?

I know of at least one person who whilst out on his bike cleaned up and badly injured a mountain bike rider. Third party insurance saved his arse and most likely his family home.

Scotty, you are a regulator for the system, as am I to a degree so we get to see the best and worst in people and in systems.
Ok why insurance?
think about the answer
Ok if there needs to be insurance at least the opportunity is there for those of us who would utilise the idea for the right reasons.
If I took the attitude about people in the bush and everywhere well how far do we go/

The problem is the baby is being thrown out with the bathwater, and Boony you’re smarter than that comment..

it’s not about egos and whose opinion is right, it’s about access and regaining some grounds and recognition.

Rego and licence does not make you a responsible rider, but it is more likely you may be.
alternatively some of the most dedicated riders and bush risiding people ride unrego round here.

And TB it IS currently like i described previously in many states in the USA, they have OHV accessible areas, and yet they are more heavily populated…. go figure… what happened to good old Aussie spirit?
We became conformist and interbred with MacArthurs flock apparently

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Unit wrote:

Give me a system where i can ride legally and safely with my children!

Why can’t i register,licence and insure myself to be responsible for my dependant children? A fairly straight forward concept where i become responsible for the conduct of my children who must ride under my supervision.

In respect of the earlier argument, at what point does holding a licence and a registered bike make you a responsible member of our riding community?

I would like to think that the time you spend riding with your children and teaching them the conduct that this site appreciates would be of a far greater benefit to our chosen sport than registering undisiplined irresponsible fools both young and old and giving them a greenslip!

How good would it be to have old bull father and son ride days where collectively we could show our children the duty of care that we owe each other in the bush, the equipment required to be safe, trail skills and the mechanical skills required to ensure you get home.

Bring on the day that this can be a great weekend out for the family.

Unit

wouldn’t that be worth fighting for………..

[Bruce CurtisMember]

and this is what it is about, look at thier faces, the pure unadulterated joy….

BTW they are unrego too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qODJEH1JhE&feature=player_detailpage

[Bruce CurtisMember]

xy-transit wrote:

hmmm more area per capita available for Drinking than Riding…..

so to my way of thinking, those with the powers are more involved in drinking than riding bikes… or doing much in the way of being constructive for that matter…

does that sound about right?

yep it’s plain old absurd, pubs/clubs/sporting associations all having liquor licences some open 24hrs a day, lots of antisocial behaviour, murders, disfigurement, destruction of property, DUI, accidents, mayhem on a mind altering substance, yet we frown upon unrego dirtbike riders, fair dinks where is our heads at???? :huh:

We spend millions a year on gambling issues, families being terrorised by dunken/drugged thugs, and we are up in arms about kids enjoying a ride in the great outdoors……

I see a bigger picture than the little communities we inhabit, and there is so so much more wrong with the country…

And the fix for this would be self-sufficient, pay for itself.

but yet we would be secular and split our own ranks….

BTW did anyone else see the series a few years back on grumpy old men?

:whistle:

[Bruce CurtisMember]

easy as … look at your luggage…

some over and behind the rear axle, I have had 200 kilo roadbikes that behave like clowns on crack with a fully loaded rear luggage system, even a big tankbag can unsettle a bike

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Firstly Boony, my comment was a light hearted vision of your workplace not your opinion.

Secondly, elsewhere on the net rider rights are being debated hotly, the main thing I see in all these types of debates, speed cameras, NPWS closures, rec reg, unrego riders, farmers rights, neighbourhood disputes is a total “Within the confines of the box” thinking, we allow stupid paople to make stupid laws, then we blindly follow them.
As Pete Madison pointed out in Australia we have pubs and nightclubs open 24hrs but nowhere to ride our bikes, whereas in the USA (he lives there a few months a year and has dual citizenship) Bars and nightclubs are carefully regulated but there are massive areas of wilderness were you can ride unrego, as long as you have a licence. What does this tell us? yep it’s sanctioned to go out and get smashed, fight, glass and be anti-social, but heaven forbid you take up a pastime that is healthy and get’s you to view our country and not being anti-social….think about this the most heavily regulated crown lands are in good Ole Australia.. yep it’s us, and we blindly believe all the insurance crap and legal nonsense that we are spoonfed.
If the Yanks can do it why can’t we, and before we get on our high horse saying stuff like “I’ve got rego why can’t they?’ give me a logical reason, not a emotional jealousy one, ask yourself what is wrong with a country that cannot provide facilities for a bigger portion of recreational riders than there are cricketers or AFl players, why we can’t provide someplace for people to ride yet we can spend millions of dollars on a few thousand that play psorts in far lesser numbers.
Now I understand some of us are regulators and must uphold the law in our daily grind, however it does not mean we must agree with those laws.

I wholeheartedly believe if resource and thought was put into this issue it wouldn’t be an issue….

the fixes are very simple, unpopular with some lobby groups and mundane thought patterns, but as Boony said

Yep obviously there is a problem, now what’s the solution?, always remembering there is more than one way to skin a cat, especially if we put the egos aside and just try to look for a long term place for our sport….

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Boony wrote:

As I tell the staff at work,, dont tell me the problem, give me a solution????

Bit of a worry when the consensus is pointing the finger at you though Boony?

and I’d be really worried about their solution then……

Maybe a fresh mound of earth out the back?

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Trailboss wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

Trailboss wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

And maybe even the Muc-off products too?

:whistle:

Stopped using Muc-off ages ago Bruce didnt by mine from Aldi either Aldi hasnt ever stocked them according to the bloke that just rang me about the Muc-off at Aldi he said it was cheaper than his cost price and he is a dealer supplier and itsnt a happy camper :laugh: :pinch:

BTW he isnt a site sponsor

TB

I was a bit surprised to see it there too, just wanted to bring it to attention, knew you would have the lowdown…….the GPS units are apparently rippers, another old fart I know (adv rider) has had one for a few years and swaers by it…

The older GPSs are better the new ones arent water proof thats why they need the cover. last years are great have all sorts of tracks and am always amazed when down the back of bunF%*k on a old overgrown logging track that is single line and over grown, hasnt seen traffic for years and its on the Aldi

Sorry you feel that ADV is for old farts Bruce, I thought you were more open mined :whistle:

TB

Hell yeah I’m open minded (not sure about open cut mining though) but you old blokes (:blush: ) on Adv bikes are everywhere, like bloody fleas on a dog yers are…..

and it must be an old blokes pastime cause us younguns are busy riding hwys and S/T and spending the rest of our time in ER….

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Trailboss wrote:

Mr Blue wrote:

And maybe even the Muc-off products too?

:whistle:

Stopped using Muc-off ages ago Bruce didnt by mine from Aldi either Aldi hasnt ever stocked them according to the bloke that just rang me about the Muc-off at Aldi he said it was cheaper than his cost price and he is a dealer supplier and itsnt a happy camper :laugh: :pinch:

BTW he isnt a site sponsor

TB

I was a bit surprised to see it there too, just wanted to bring it to attention, knew you would have the lowdown…….the GPS units are apparently rippers, another old fart I know (adv rider) has had one for a few years and swaers by it…

[Bruce CurtisMember]

And maybe even the Muc-off products too?

:whistle:

[Bruce CurtisMember]

OWL 02 wrote:

Talking about Ramps, I need one for my 330 odd KG Hog. The whips ramps are good for approx 225kg I think. Any suggestions ?

Honestly first one that comes to mind?

Why would any bike need to weigh 330 kilos??????
do they sell them by the pound?

[Bruce CurtisMember]

I completely understand this issue, we have had two iconic riding areas that we as locals have been using for years…..

Then word got around on the internet, and it has every loonytune from SE qld there, and police, and helicopters, and NPWS, and TV crews…

they were such good places to ride too, one of my mates has ridden there since he was under 10, now he won’t even go near it.

Ride organisers rules.

We are even at the point we take newbies on “dummy” runs before taking them to were we actually ride…. you never can tell…

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Rod up the local taxi base has been doing this for years, works a treat and believe it or not is on probability factors safer than using huge air pressure to bead it in

[Bruce CurtisMember]

Fossil wrote:

I feel it is very important to not stereotype particular groups e.g. Greenies. I would consider myself a bit of a Greeny as I believe a Carbon Tax is a good idea, I believe global warming is real and population control is an issue that needs to debated. We cannot continue to treat the earth the way we are.
I am also a keen motorcycle rider and believe we must find a balance between what we enjoy and our responsibility as global citizens.

I feel the important point are;
1. Respect and be tolerant of other people opinions.
2. Promote our sport in a positive light.
3. Do not bitch about and make generalisations about individuals or groups that oppose our sport.
4. Be willing to debate and negotiate.

A few points Fossil.

I am a conservationist, I have been involved and planted literally thousands of trees, rehabilitated whole forest parcels, and in this area I am not unusual… but i was still branded a rapist and pilager by a crowd of protestors on several occassions, had human faeces thrown at us, sugar and sand put in fuel tanks of machinery and been vilified in parliament.
In my experience the tolerant reasonable conservationist is what you describe yourself as, but I would not label you a green.
Maybe it is locality, but everything that this area looks like getting up and running, rallies, bike meetings, plantation logging, gas exploration, anything is met with unyeilding screams from the same core groups…..

as admin says this IS politics, but not party, it is the politics of humans, the will to exert power over others in most cases…..

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