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I know we have land access issues but that’s the smallest enduro loop I have ever seen.
Does anyone else see rec rego has the potential to give our sport an even worse reputation than it already has with the general public. I think most would agree I is the majority those that ride in places that ennoy suburban residents that causes that good majority of issues.
I doubt most people give a rats arse about unregistered, noisy bike out in the middle of the bush that are out of sight and out of hearing, heck most wouldn’t even know we are there. I for one don’t really have an issue with unregistered bikes out deep in the bush. The only real issue here is insurance.From a law enforcement perspective I work in a suburban area that has a lot of large parklands and tracks of bush. More than most realise until you get out into it. All this land borders or runs through suburbia. We have multiple trail bike complaints every day of the week. Weekend it almost gets out of control. 95% unregistered bikes.
The good thing with the way it is at the moment when we get hold of these f#&ckwits they get a good fist full of fines. It’s easy to throw a couple grand worth of tickets at them. Sometimes the fines are worth more than there bikes.
Give them rec rego and you will legitimise their existence. At most they may get a fine for riding in a reserve contrary to some useless local government rule. Couple hundred dollars tops, wont deter most. With there new rec rego most will believe it will be ok for them to ride suburban street to get to these reserves, pissing off yet more members of the community. And no doubt now they have rec rego if we catch them doing this they will not actually be considered unregistered but only riding their bike outside their rego conditions. This will be another piss poor fine and not much of a deterrent.
Couple with that the new laws are likely to be confusing for cops and riders alike as to where they can and can’t ride making it even harder to enforce. I know a lot of cops will just put it in the too hard basket. As I said in most of these riders minds they will believe rec rego give them the right to ride anywhere anytime will the potential to do more harm to our sport and take more power away from authorities to stop them.
I still don’t believe this will make the guys who are already riding unregistered bike go out and get rec rego. The fact is 99% of the unregistered bike I have ever picked up also have an unlicenced rider.
I fail to understand how they can make legislation that lets non ADR vehicles be used in public areas. It’s simply a double standard.
I’m not up o what needs to be done to the bikes to get rec rego, is there any noise restrictions. I keep hearing hour noise is killing our sport yet they want to let MX bikes, with open race systems legal ride in the bush. I’m sure that will help the cause.
This is a petition I won’t be signing. I still think this could have ramifications for people who want fully registered bikes.
If you look at a bike like the WR450F. Technically it is usually a couple of years behind it MX sibling the YZ450F. Last year Yamaha sold about 1500 WR450F. I’ll bet a lot of those buyer would have bought the YZ if they could legally use it in the bush. I’m sure this would be the same for other models such as the CFR450X and CRF450R. How many people would be lined up for a KTM350SX rather than an EXC if they could legally ride the SX in the bush.
With rec rego I have no doubt MX sales will rise and enduro sales fall. This will mean the expensive cost of ADR’s on the enduro models will need to be spread over fewer unit, equalling higher cost for enduro model. Some manufacturers may even question the need to ADR any competition off road bikes at all. Suzuki obviously already question the value of ADR’ing the RMX450.
Have a look at Blue’s YZ250WR. Do you think Yamaha would have bothered to get such a bike through the ADR process if rec rego existed. I really think we could see some bikes in the future skip the ADR process if more states come on board with rec rego.
Check these ones Jeffro, even come in nitro. http://www.obtrailriders.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=56&func=view&catid=47&id=50734 I have been looking at getting one for a while. I currently have a fleet of 13 RC cars and buggies and need to sell one or two of these before I get any more. There is an on road track near me where they have actually started racing RC road bikes, it would be cool to throw a motard into the mix.
Rec rego could also have ramifications for those that like fully registered off road bikes. If we remember years back it was hard to get fully registered enduro bikes. We had very expensive euro bikes but all the Japs would give us bikes like XR’s, DR’s and TT’s. WR’s, RMX’s were not ADR compliant. If non ADR bikes can be legally ridden in the bush we might find manufacturers deciding to save a few bucks and not put there bikes through the expensive ADR process. Suzuki have already released the RMX450 in non ADR form. Why should they ADR it if I can buy it and still legally ride it in the bush.
Trailboss wrote:
Quote:• The environmental impacts on our precious State Forests and National Parks would be significantly reduced with designated and dedicated one-way tracks designed for riders of all abilities, thus offering riders a legal alternative to riding illegally on unmarked or unsuitable trails.I don’t know much about Vic rec rego but when did they get designated and dedicated one-way tracks and how do they stop bikes riding unmarked, unsuitable trails? It will take a lot to convince me Rec rego is the answer.
Mr Blue wrote:
Quote:Firstly let me say.Jack & kylie are not entirely blameless, maybe woulda been a good idea to keep the open exhausts down.
There are some very factual errors, the court transcripts of the prior agreements and mediations tell more of the story and how the agreements weren’t upheld by the victims whom became the aggressors.
Telling porkies to get sympathy never works, people fall for it initially then they discover the truth, remember it takes two to argue.
Haha, always two sides to every story.
Riggs wrote:
Quote:3) Who is the enemy ? The overwhelming majority of problem riders would be un rego’d hoons. I’m all for stopping the hoons cos their bad behavior reflects on us.2c.
This is not always the case. On the weekend I took my kids to the river for a bit of fun swimming and kayaking. The area we went to was an area I used to ride as a kid but is now managed by national parks. They have spent the last ten years or so regenerating the area. It has big fences and signs every where stating NO TRAIL BIKES OR 4WD’s.
Two guys on fully registered 2010 KTM’s with all the gear decided the signs did not apply to them and at would be ok for them to ride through the gates along a footpath down through were about 200 people were picnicking and swimming. And we wonder why trail bike riders have a bad reputation.
There are plenty out there with rego and licences that do the wrong thing. I see many a registered bike out riding restricted areas when I’m out on my mountain bike.
Is this on of Beags playing in the mud again.
Trailboss wrote:
Quote:II read in the link Mick put about a state forest ride area for kids. Mick and I have had this discussion and the question I have is who is going to pay (its needs supervision, track maintance, arrowing for direction, there would be limits to the numbers etc etc etc) who wants that next door to them? The extra traffic, the rubbish, the noise etc etc. So it needs to be further out from town, then people cant be arsed driving their kids that far so the vacant land behind the tip, oval, bush behind home will do. The argument was put up the parents could supervise the state forest ride area. Really? parents most parents dont want to flag marshall at race days put the club make them (and they whinge about it) so how would that work when the irresponsible parent turns up with his pit bike, puts the helmet on the kid and cracks a stubby?
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When I was a kid there used to be such a place out in the Castlereigh State Forest. It was managed by the Police and Citizens Youth Club and would have trail bike cops out there on weekends. They also used to run Gymkanas there. I can only imagine it would have been insurance issues or something of that mater that had it closed down.
micknmeld wrote:
Quote:At 45 I have been neglecting my health a bit.
MickOnly 45, bullshit. If thats correct I suggest you get to the doctor sooner rather than later.
I was only thinking of this yesterday when I was a good 15km into the bush on my mountain bike by my self. If I was to push to hard and blow a valve it would be along time before someone found me. I have to go do a stress ECG for work next month so it will be good to see the results.
Krusty wrote:
Quote:what’s a snail? :huh:Krusty seeing you have been asking about chain tension I’m sure you have played with the chain adjusters on your DRZ. If ya stand back and have a look at them you will see they are the shape of a snail. Not many bikes have this style adjuster any more. Like TB said race bikes go for a system that is faster to change the wheel but needs more tools to adjust the chain.
The DRZ still has em and i’m glad for that. I don’t race so the extra poofteenth of a second doesn’t matter to me. I do wish it was like my old XR250 though. On that I didn’t even need to pull the bolt out, just loosed enough and pull the wheel out. This made life a lot easier not having to line up the spacers when putting the wheel back on.
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