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    Ok I need advise from some of the engine guru’s. I know diagnosing engine problems over the internet is pretty hard but well see how we go.

    Yesterday I headed up to Sunny Corner for the rally. I took the RMX out for a run and about 40k into a trail I was on the gas on an uphill fire trail and all of a sudden had a grinding noise coming from the bike. Almost sounded like a rock stuck in a break disc. I stopped and the noise was coming from the engine, specifically if you got down close it sounded as it was coming from the left side under the stator cover. The motor still felt strong and revved fine.

    I limped the bike back to camp and pulled the stator cover off. Not the cleanest stator I’ve ever seen but nothing looked out of the ordinary. I don’t have a puller so haven’t looked on the inside of the flywheel.

    At this stage I was concerned the noise is either a crank bearing or big end. I put the cover back on and fire the bike up and noise was gone. I went for a ride out along the road for a few km’s and no noise. Well being paranoid I packed up and brought the bike home.

    I have been planning to pull the top end down for a freshen up and power valve inspection so this morning I ripped her apart. This was after I again fired her up and did some laps of the block and still no noise or signs of any problems.

    Just a little history on the bike. It is a 99 model with just over 2500km on it. Before I got it earlier this year it sat in a shed with little use for quite a number of years. I pulled the topend off this morning and from what I can tell this is the first time its been apart since it left the factory.

    The piston and bore look ok but defiantly time for a freshen up. Power valve working fine but gummed up as expected. Looking at the crank and bigend, the rod has 0.45mm side play and no up and down movement in the big end bearing. It moves freely with no visible signs of any problems.

    My question is, is there an easy way to check the bigend and crank bearings without splitting the cases? And if one of the bearings started to make such a noise would it just go away? I still haven’t pulled the flywheel off to see if something underneath caused the noise. If a grab the flywheel by hand I can’t feel any movement such as excessive end float or up and down movement in the left crank bearing.

    I don’t expect any miracle diagnosis over the net but I’m baffled that such a bad grinding noise just went away. I’m paranoid one of the bottom end bearings is gone and don’t want to throw in a fresh topend just to have a bearing let go.

    Anybody with any knowledge or advise would be appreciated.

    #209064

    Dean
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    Not good news there Scotty, mate a few quick things to check is the power coming from the stator at the correct voltage ? maybe one of the magnets has dropped off, I dont think it would be your big end,at the worst maybe a main bearing, but if there is no discernable movement in the flywheel I reckon you should be pretty right. If you put the bike on a stand and rotate the rear wheel whilst in gear (remove plug first) and have a listen for any graunching noises. Good idea to pull out the power valve assembly and clean as they are a weak point on the RMX.

    Ollie

    #209065

    Thanks Ollie, it’s a bit late for me to check the voltage as I already have the top end off. First plan of attack will be to get hold of a puller and have a look at the stator. If thats fine I’ll look at the clutch which is a bit grabby, although when it was making the noise pulling in the clutch made no difference to the noise so I doubt this is the cause.

    Is it possible to see the crank bearing from under the stator?

    It’s just a mystery that the noise went away after removing and refitting the stator cover. I would have though if a bearing shit itseft the noise would keep getting worse unit the inevitable failure.

    As for the powervalve, other than the three shitty philips screws that hold it in, it looks pretty good and was working nice and smooth. Covered in black shit but that cleaned off easily.

    #209066

    Just did some searching and found a guy who build a 99 RMX250 motard. He had a screw back out of stator which caused a screeching noise. Could I be so lucky it will be this simple?

    #209097

    Mick D
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    Scotty wrote:
    Just did some searching and found a guy who build a 99 RMX250 motard. He had a screw back out of stator which caused a screeching noise. Could I be so lucky it will be this simple?

    Before I even read down this far, I had put my money on this being the cause of the noise. I had a similar thing happen to an RD250LC, it made a wild grinding noise untill the screw “caught” and bent at 45 degrees which then stopped it from hitting the stator rotor, hence no more noise.

    #209110

    Mick D
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    I am thinking that either screw 3, 5 or 12 has come adrift.

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    #209111

    Bruce Curtis
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    Like Michael says something adrift in the flwheel stator area.

    #209067

    Same thing happened to my RMX back in the day, Screw 3 was loose

    #209068

    Well, the mystery continues. I borrowed a puller this morning and pull the flywheel off. No signs of any issues under here. All screws in place as they should be and no sign of anything rubbing on the flywheel either inside or out.

    #209370

    Bruce Curtis
    Member

    Scotty did it make a bit of a grumbling sound as well?

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