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May 4, 2010 at 12:17 am #177677
Mr Blue wrote:
Quote:Trailboss wrote:Quote:Mr Blue wrote:Quote:Gas Gas 450 FSE, highly underrated bike, not as hard-core as the other 450s, and lower maintenance like the DRZ or XR.Fuel injected
Proven reliability
Good suspension, some models with Ohlins
Motor is reknown for longevity
Cheap as chip for a good low kilometre second-hand one (if you can find one)If i were in the market for a softer trailbike in a 4T, the Gas Gas would certainly be in top position
BC
Ask around Wauchope I thinks Deans did 3500kms before it was rebuilt and still isnt right I think I heard.
Stay main stream IMO
TB
Yep there were a few friday arvo ones, but well outnumbered by the quietly ticking along ones running perfectly, buy something ’06 and newer all bugs worked out by then just like the bad batch of XRs a few years back. But a good secondhand one will have had any bugs ironed out, up here they are relatively easy to find the local dealer (before he burnt down) was very active and sold quite a few.
But sure if you like spending heaps of money just to bring a DRZ up to half the Gas gas’s standard, hey why not.
Quote:The gasser is fuel injected Bruce good thing for economy etc but after 4 day and the amount of fuel injected bike we saw broken down I am not sure thats a good thing. That said I am about to purchase a fuel injected bike :laugh:
An Ohilns one maybe but would most punters know thye difference between a setup olhins bike and a setup Showa or the likes bike I think notBut some good points there Bruce
TB
May 4, 2010 at 12:27 am #177678Not being Biased but Have been toying up the option of a late model Gasser as well,I have ridden a few and they are indeed an excellent bike. They also brought out a Pampera model which is built along the lines of the DRZ and meant to be exremley reliable and at an affordable price as well.
If only Yamaha would see the light and bring out a WR400/450R that would fit the bill perfectly.Had a DRZ and they are a good thing but you do need to spend the coin to get em to Spec.
Ollie
May 4, 2010 at 12:28 am #177645What do you consider high maintenance? I don’t really think a good modern bike is high maintenance and although my 4stroke was a bit of a lemon I don’t think the maintenance schedule was difficult though I have to say that going to a 2t has made me lazy as hell because I can just ride it and wash it so the little things that aren’t very necessary don’t get done where I used to have to go over the bike most rides to fix bits.
I’d suggest either a DRZ or if you’re after a change try a WR450 or even a WR250R perhaps. If you’re an active rider I think you’ll find these more fun rather than the pedestrian XR/DRZ style. Of course people will get defensive about that statement but it is fact that most people can’t throw the heavier bikes/tractors around fast trails though I acknowledge not everyone wants to.
May 4, 2010 at 12:35 am #177679Mr Blue wrote:
Quote:Wait on why didn’t anyone suggest a KTM300?
Low maintenance
Button Start
Easy power
Good resale
user friendlyMoto you’re slipping…..
I honestly started my response when there was only 2 replies but got distracted – bloody work getting in the way of my posting. I was only subtle with my post though because without knowing the OP I think if you were happy with the way your XR400 behaved a 300 2t might be too much fun for your heart :p
May 4, 2010 at 12:56 am #177646Hmm.. A couple of things…..
TB – Yes please find out if chops bike is for sale and let me know how much….
Mickmeld – That $9200 price is that $500 cash back after the $9200? Or do I have to provide $9700 and claim the $500… I have a mate who will most likely jump on this…. I will most likely by something used and bring it up to spec…
Austblue – Low maintenance.. change the oil, oil filter and air filter.. The new bikes from what I have heard need the valves done after a few rides.. I have heard the WR450’s are either full on or off nothing in between.. I’m an average rider hoping to become above average… I owned a WR250 that was all speced up for racing but it was like riding a bucking bronco.. I don’t want a 250..
May 4, 2010 at 1:00 am #177685Austblue wrote:
Quote:What do you consider high maintenance? I don’t really think a good modern bike is high maintenance and although my 4stroke was a bit of a lemon I don’t think the maintenance schedule was difficult though I have to say that going to a 2t has made me lazy as hell because I can just ride it and wash it so the little things that aren’t very necessary don’t get done where I used to have to go over the bike most rides to fix bits.I’d suggest either a DRZ or if you’re after a change try a WR450 or even a WR250R perhaps. If you’re an active rider I think you’ll find these more fun rather than the pedestrian XR/DRZ style. Of course people will get defensive about that statement but it is fact that most people can’t throw the heavier bikes/tractors around fast trails though I acknowledge not everyone wants to.
Tony I am still shaking my head from the above mate :laugh: The maintance requirements and the life expectancy alone are completely different and to different to even try and type here. I also think that’s why your 4 stroke was like it was probably from the previous owner if you didn’t own it from new.
If you think your two stroke is maintance free just remember its new at the moment mate its time will come, if you maintained it as recommended well that would be a whole different story
As for the pedestrian comment :laugh: well that is neither here nor there really but isn’t surprising: P
TB
May 4, 2010 at 1:06 am #177694That’s why I ask, don’t take peoples hearsay when it comes to what is required. You may want to check your valves after say 10 rides but they shouldn’t need adjusting unless you’ve bought a CRF or not putting your air filter on correctly. Moto is our god and he didn’t check the valves on his KTM for thousands (was it 4500kms???) of k’s and they were well in spec. Oil and filter changes area a piece of piss. Air filter maintenance is or at least should be the same on any bike, if its dusty then change every ride at least. If you want to reduce your air filter maintenance then maybe by filter skins.
WR250R is different to a 250f but I’m not going to put the hard sell on them. But are you talking about the motor or suspension when you say bucking bronco? I had a KTM 250 4t and the last thing I’d describe it as would be a bucking bronco. My 300 is a bit of a brumby but that’s why I love it
May 4, 2010 at 1:07 am #177695c-e-l wrote:
Quote:Hmm.. A couple of things…..Mickmeld – That $9200 price is that $500 cash back after the $9200? Or do I have to provide $9700 and claim the $500… I have a mate who will most likely jump on this…. I will most likely by something used and bring it up to spec…
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$9700 and then claim. If your mate is keen, he has to be an Old Bull Member to get the price. So sign him up Champ.
Give Rod at MudnTar a call tomorrow and screw his arm as I was only speaking with a saleman as Rod is away today. Click on their link on the top of the page to get their number.THey also have another one there that is a bit rough for $3500 unreg.
May 4, 2010 at 1:09 am #177696Chops DRZ would be a great bike if he wanted to sell. All of the work, none of the hassle. I’ve ridden a few DRZ’s now and Chops was by far and away the nicest in the bush.
The newer 450’s don’t require any more maintenance than you mentioned. They will need valves checked/adjusted every so often (like once a year, not once a ride, dependent on mileage of course) but it’s hardly a big deal for a lighter, faster, more involving bike if that’s what you are after.
As AB said, if you’re happy with your XR the DRZ will likely be the best move.
May 4, 2010 at 1:14 am #177647c-e-l wrote:
Quote:If someone were to say want to move onto a different bike say… one with a button what would the gang here recommend..Currently own – 1996 XR400 and am very happy with what she puts out ie; power, control and performance.
Wants:
The low maintenance of the XR400.
A Button start because my right leg hurts from all the kicking this past weekend.Don’t want:
The massive high maintenance schedule of these new bikes.Cheers…
Chris………..i dont think theres any question if you want all what your xr had with electric start plus watercooling and low maintenance the DRZ would have to be it no doubt about it
May 4, 2010 at 1:16 am #177648IMO a drz would be the go, mate has an 05 with about 5000km, $4000 if interested, pretty stock Std
cheers Hatto
May 4, 2010 at 1:22 am #177698Trailboss wrote:
Quote:Tony I am still shaking my head from the above mate :laugh: The maintance requirements and the life expectancy alone are completely different and to different to even try and type here. I also think that’s why your 4 stroke was like it was probably from the previous owner if you didn’t own it from new.If you think your two stroke is maintance free just remember its new at the moment mate its time will come, if you maintained it as recommended well that would be a whole different story
As for the pedestrian comment :laugh: well that is neither here nor there really but isn’t surprising: P
TB
Not quite the bite I was looking for but you’ve taken the hook at least so it worked
Read my post after a coffee and you’ll notice I don’t compare the maintenance between any bikes and nor did i say my bike was maintenance free. Going by the OP’s last post he has been misinformed so why not put it out there and let him make in informed decision rather than one based on what some polka dot wearing tractor driver told him at the pub? :laugh:
If you’re going to say everyone should buy an xr because of their longetivity then I’m not going to waste my time, sorry. If the OP said hey I ride fire trails and like to dabble in fast single I’d say sure go for a DRZ but if he’s looking to be a fast rider in all terrain then look to what the racers are riding. Heck even Baja isn’t dominated by XRs anymore.
To spell it out very clearly, I’m asking what does the OP consider high maint because although it may be higher on a WR than an XR it still doesn’t take much to spend an hour (being generous with time there) in the shed changing the oil and filter after every 3 rides or so and checking valves takes 10 minutes unless you’re silly enough to through dirt and nuts in the open case.
My TM may be new with only around 1000kms but you can’t stand and argue that a 2t is more maintenance than a 4t just like I wouldn’t stand and say that my TM would last as long as an XR but then who’d compare V8 supercars maint schedules to an SS commodore’s.
May 4, 2010 at 1:37 am #177701Austblue wrote:
Quote:Not quite the bite I was looking for but you’ve taken the hook at least so it workedRead my post after a coffee and you’ll notice I don’t compare the maintenance between any bikes and nor did i say my bike was maintenance free. Going by the OP’s last post he has been misinformed so why not put it out there and let him make in informed decision rather than one based on what some polka dot wearing tractor driver told him at the pub? :laugh:
If you’re going to say everyone should buy an xr because of their longetivity then I’m not going to waste my time, sorry. If the OP said hey I ride fire trails and like to dabble in fast single I’d say sure go for a DRZ but if he’s looking to be a fast rider in all terrain then look to what the racers are riding. Heck even Baja isn’t dominated by XRs anymore.
To spell it out very clearly, I’m asking what does the OP consider high maint because although it may be higher on a WR than an XR it still doesn’t take much to spend an hour (being generous with time there) in the shed changing the oil and filter after every 3 rides or so and checking valves takes 10 minutes unless you’re silly enough to through dirt and nuts in the open case.
My TM may be new with only around 1000kms but you can’t stand and argue that a 2t is more maintenance than a 4t just like I wouldn’t stand and say that my TM would last as long as an XR but then who’d compare V8 supercars maint schedules to an SS commodore’s.
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I’m surprised you bothered to reply Trent, I thought you would have known the futility of the situation by now?
Let’s all just tell him to keep the XR and be done with it, then we go about our way misinforming other people until the Oracle bestows his supreme knowledge again :laugh:
May 4, 2010 at 1:50 am #177703moto wrote:
Quote::laugh:I’m surprised you bothered to reply Trent, I thought you would have known the futility of the situation by now?
Let’s all just tell him to keep the XR and be done with it, then we go about our way misinforming other people until the Oracle bestows his supreme knowledge again :laugh:
Shhhh! Be vewy quiet… I’m hunting wabbits! [/elmerfudd]
:woohoo:
May 4, 2010 at 2:01 am #177688Not trying to sell it too hard I hope, but the gas gas 450 uses a hell of a lot of generic parts from Honda, suzuki and kawasaki, the engine is loosely based on a DRZ design. The only real problem that seems to be reoccurring is the cold enrichment map in coller months is making for a bit of hard starting, but apparently if you know the right dealer/mechanic/techie, a hot link and remap is easy as……
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